$499 with a Zen upgrade and all would be fine.

Hell, I'd take $499 with Zen and 4TF in a HEARTBEAT over $399 with Jaguar and 6TF. Resolution means less and less to me above 1080p, but high FPS would be nice. Sadly, both PS4P and X1X are still tied to Jag :/

I'm trying my hardest not to be a poor sport, but all the $399 talk right up through Geoff's tweets sure was amusing. This is the price I expected so it was yet one more nonsurprise at the conference. The compactness of the console is impressive, though.

Unpopular opinion...but I think this is a bit too expensive for what I want out of it.

Just my opinion though...I won't push it on anyone. :)

for what it can do........ dirt cheap, it'd take over twice the cost to build a PC that can compare

that's the general consensus . not really an unpopular opinion. 

The MS guys are smart enough to have come to that conclusion even before PS4P went on sale. But their conclusion has been well validated by PS4Ps share of over all PS4 sales. So I think they are probably more confident in their price point becaus of Sony's experience with PS4P, despite some disappointed Xbox fans who thought XOX could actually get Xbox to start winning the sales war. But to me it seems like MS taking a more mature approach to its position in console hardware and hopefully not engaging in the immature sales war.

As a business that is not the slightest bit reliant on Xbox hardware for profits, there is absolutely nothing wrong with being the number 2 console, even by a wide margin. So long as sales reach a level that helps MS's overall strategic objectives it doesn't really matter where they land in unit sales compared to PS and Nintendo. Sony and Nintendo on the other hand are far more reliant on console hardware install base for profitability. Nintendo is wholly reliant. So those companies need a higher critical mass of sales to meet strategic objectives than MS does. MS should see this lower KPI as a strength and realise that the effort needed to get the marginal benefit of selling 60 million consoles in a genetation compared to selling 40 million is really rather wasted.

Dumb inside joke...the people that would get it don't seem to be here. :P

Me too! It's actually cheaper than I expected. Only $650 AUD.

Should be able to get $150 for my crappy old launch Xbox One.

It's not a liquid cooling system in the traditional sense. It's vapour chamber cooling with a blower fan. Please don't give people the wrong idea.

The Xbox One had a chip that was 363mm2. The S variant reduced that by 33%.
Scorpio at 360mm2~ isn't new ground for Microsoft.

Clearly you don't fully understand what Scorpio is meant for if you think that.

The Xbox One S isn't going away. That is the low-cost alternative.

Whhaat... You do realise it makes no real difference? They are both based on 20nm anyway.

Missing one tiny point though. Which Digital Foundry elaborated on.

Allot of processing that is typically done on the CPU to drive graphics... Is gone. It's done on the GPU's command processor now.
Sure, it's the same garbage Jaguar... But it is clocked higher, it does less work. It's not apples to apples with the other consoles.

Scorpio supports checkerboard.

Sony has the Generation locked in.
Sony simply executed better than Microsoft at every step this generation and they were awarded for that with great sales.

The Switch is also doing well, bringing up the rear.

I think if anyone was expecting Scorpio to set the world on fire and shift 10's of millions of devices, then they were seriously not understanding it's market  positioning. If Sony isn't pulling crazy sales with the Pro, it's understandable the same would translate to Scorpio.

Your opinion is resonating with allot of people at the moment. So it is a fair assessment.

I'm not to bothered by the price personally. $650 AUD is perfectly reasonable, I actually expected it higher.

Quality post.  Glad to know my Metro is safe.

That'll be a tough sell in Canada until the CDN gets closer to parity. $599 plus tax (in Ontario) brings it to $676.87. Can't​ see that moving off shelves quickly.