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Mafioso said:
Pemalite said:

Except nVidia or more specifically, Pascal... Tends to have more performance than AMD even with "less GPU resources and compute ability".

Until the next round of GPU's come out and driver support hits that proverbial brick wall that shows AMD GPU's aging better and better performing at DX12 and Vulkan....time and time again... 

Devs don't have to wait on drivers for console, games come right off the metal and DX12 is baked in this case. Underwritting this custom design is silly, AMD cores were built to be used this way to their fullest, no driver overhead like on PC reducing performance. In this case its running above the base clock of the PC part (one that features less CU's) , has a wide bus, hardware optimizations(not just software) ...this thing is going to be a graphics  workhorse in a small box you can fit on your stand shelf. Pretty rad.

Consoles have drivers as well. They also get updated.

Consoles also share the same API's as PC and then some.

Consoles have bloated monolithic OS's.

AMD GPU's do tend to excel in a few scenario's because of Asynchronous Compute, but nVidia is owning AMD right now. That can't be disputed, nVidia has such a massive efficiency lead over AMD.



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jason1637 said:

Could help us figure out the price of the system. I'm not refering to the Scorpio capabilities because i understand that a PC able to play games in 4K are very expensive but im refering to a PC with similar specs ta  Scorpio, and wondering how much that would cost.

you cant use pc component price to figure out a console price.

Every single component for a pc build will contain it's own manufacturing costs, overhead, retailer cut, etc, with a console it's a single unit, all built in one go.

You'd have better luck throwing a dart at a piece of paper with random prices written on it.



Pemalite said:
Mafioso said:

Until the next round of GPU's come out and driver support hits that proverbial brick wall that shows AMD GPU's aging better and better performing at DX12 and Vulkan....time and time again... 

Devs don't have to wait on drivers for console, games come right off the metal and DX12 is baked in this case. Underwritting this custom design is silly, AMD cores were built to be used this way to their fullest, no driver overhead like on PC reducing performance. In this case its running above the base clock of the PC part (one that features less CU's) , has a wide bus, hardware optimizations(not just software) ...this thing is going to be a graphics  workhorse in a small box you can fit on your stand shelf. Pretty rad.

Consoles have drivers as well. They also get updated.

Consoles also share the same API's as PC and then some.

Consoles have bloated monolithic OS's.

AMD GPU's do tend to excel in a few scenario's because of Asynchronous Compute, but nVidia is owning AMD right now. That can't be disputed, nVidia has such a massive efficiency lead over AMD.

 

Look , we are going to dance forever on this one :P

I'm an Nvidia fan, actually Team Green all the way. I simply don't buy AMD GPU's, much to do with the fact that i have a large 3DVision catalog i still like to go back to.

Scorpio is packing some smart engineering for a small form factor solution though, and i have no doubt it will serve my 4K HDR TV well with those console games. We'll have to have the games IQ do the talking when they actually come out, but seems all is there for developers to put forth a nice balance of eye candy at 4K w/ HDR. Of course not everything can be native 4K, i pressume dynamic scaling (not checkerbaord) will be preferred solution when otherwise to maintain higher IQ settings and framerate. Plenty of buffer there to have HQ textures and assets to have to resort to reconstruction.

The GTX1060 argument is a funny one though. As a GTX780 owner that on these very forums was told that it wasn't up to snuff for 4K gaming when i used it as an example of 4K med/high capable i in the past following Scorpio's early spec unveil at E3(even though i did plenty of it at high settings), now a comparable 1060 is a better 4K alternative than what is in Scorpio ? If one is arguing a 1060 can do 4K, then one is arguing the Scorpio is adept for 4K also. 

4K it is. Glad that's out of the way...lol



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HoloDust said:
This was second link on "Scorpio equivalent PC" search:

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/link9933/saved/#view=phrf7P

~ $560...at the moment.

No OS or controller. Also, I don't think that Scorpio will run RotTR at 23fps on 4k.



Kerotan said:

 

 

Yerm said:
if theres one thing i learned from actually putting a PC together, its that you can not actually compare the two. consoles games are always better optimized, and with PC you always have to ask yourself if there is a slightly better part you could get for a few bucks more. the ecosystems are so different that it really is impossible to do a proper spec/price comparison.

Yeah I have to agree with this.  The optimisations on console games is the really big plus.  Developers know exactly what people will have and that makes it much easier on them. 

One big upside to the PC is free online, and a wealth of exclusives (mostly smaller, niche titles, but good games in their own right).
Over the course of a generation, the money you save on not paying for online, almost buys you your next PC / upgrade.



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RX480 can only pass 8bit color depth over HDMI...meaning no HDR10 ....lack of UHD player and not accounting for the OS, peripherals or a similar small form factor....making these system builder comparo's silly since you can't achieve tit for tat.

Sure for a desktop setup its decent, but in 2017 you shouldn't set your goals so low as to using an AM3 platform with PCIE 2.0 just to hit a Scorpio price point. Might want an SSD in there to wake a dinosaur up at a decent time too.

Anyway you slice it you end up paying more ,the experience is not as consistent, not to mention aimed at different use case scenarios. Most folk don't want to deal with a cumbersome PC in their livingroom that they can't properly on/shutoff like you can from your controller (its a luxury, lets face it...), need a wireless keyboard to get into windows and navigate a client, deal with Anti virus and driver kernel crashes,  etc...that's why there's a console market in the first place.



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Lawlight said:
HoloDust said:
This was second link on "Scorpio equivalent PC" search:

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/link9933/saved/#view=phrf7P

~ $560...at the moment.

No OS or controller. Also, I don't think that Scorpio will run RotTR at 23fps on 4k.

Not my list really, mine is actually bit later down the line...same price though. No OS, since MS has no to minimal cost of putting it on Scorpio...true for controller, so some $30 more.

Anyway, as I said before, my understanding of the thread is figuring out how much similar tech to Scorpio would cost, so we can guesstimate its price....alas, as per usual, it went astray.



caffeinade said:
Kerotan said:

 

 

Yeah I have to agree with this.  The optimisations on console games is the really big plus.  Developers know exactly what people will have and that makes it much easier on them. 

One big upside to the PC is free online, and a wealth of exclusives (mostly smaller, niche titles, but good games in their own right).
Over the course of a generation, the money you save on not paying for online, almost buys you your next PC / upgrade.

While that's good the free games and extra discounts I get for ps plus sales more then makes up for it. The general sales are awesome on Playstation now too and software is super cheap if you're on a budget. 

 

There are also way too many exclusives that either never come to PC or take years and as a gamer that makes ps4 a must for me. 

 

Both are good platforms though and ultimately you're better off having both a pc and a ps4 like me. 



zero129 said:
Lawlight said:

No OS or controller. Also, I don't think that Scorpio will run RotTR at 23fps on 4k.

Thats with everything on Ultra settings. Put it at the settings it would most likely be running at on the Scorpio and it will run 4K@30fps no problem with room to spare.

Interesting that it only runs RotTR at an average of 44.2fps on high at 1440p:

http://www.trustedreviews.com/amd-radeon-rx-480-review-performance-overclocking-and-page-2#tr-review-summary

In any case, $565.49 + shipping for the different components + Controller + mouse + KB + OS + labour. We're looking at $750 to $800.



Lawlight said:
zero129 said:

Thats with everything on Ultra settings. Put it at the settings it would most likely be running at on the Scorpio and it will run 4K@30fps no problem with room to spare.

Interesting that it only runs RotTR at an average of 44.2fps on high at 1440p:

http://www.trustedreviews.com/amd-radeon-rx-480-review-performance-overclocking-and-page-2#tr-review-summary

In any case, $565.49 + shipping for the different components + Controller + mouse + KB + OS + labour. We're looking at $750 to $800.

Seems that you are, as well as most people in this thread, missing the point....since OP seems to be AWOL, I'll simply quote it:

"How Much Would a PC Cost with Specs similar to Scorpio.

Could help us figure out the price of the system."

This is not really about whether particular PC build will be faster, slower or as fast as Scorpio, this is about the price of PC with similar tech and similar performance, so that Scorpio's price can be extrapolated (RX580 actually replaces all those 480s in lists, it is about to launch in a week, it's 6.17TFLOP beefed up RX480, and will most likely replace RX480 at $239 price point).

As I said before, comparing tech and PC prices, I think Scorpio will be $449, if MS gets cocky they will go with $499.