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1060 6GB 3.8Tflops , 192 bit bus, 224 GB/s.... By sheer frequency ...

Scorpio will comfortably have more GPU resources and compute ability to deliver better results than a 1060 on PC.



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mine said:
Much more. As a common x86 CPU isn't able to drive the GPU as efficient. Even DX12 which features multi-threading for this doesn't help PCs:

To come close to understand what this new instruction set means, compare those vector instructions like SSE. Those gave huge performance gains.

Moving DX12 driver stuff into silicon gives even more gains – as fewer instructions on the CPU side means less use of precious CPU cache. And as the GPU is even earlier ready to compute, this means that the GPU has more time to render and the CPU has more time for the game logic.

Lets hope that Microsoft didn't patent it a way no other can use it too. That stuff is perfect for the next version of the Nintendo Switch to use less power for the same graphics...

BTW: Microsoft has a big advantage. They could sell the same console power for less money then Sony. From Scorpio on for the next 25 years... .

You know how I know you aren't a programmer or electrical engineer?



Mafioso said:
1060 6GB 3.8Tflops , 192 bit bus, 224 GB/s.... By sheer frequency ...

Scorpio will comfortably have more GPU resources and compute ability to deliver better results than a 1060 on PC.

Except nVidia or more specifically, Pascal... Tends to have more performance than AMD even with "less GPU resources and compute ability".



Pemalite said:
Mafioso said:
1060 6GB 3.8Tflops , 192 bit bus, 224 GB/s.... By sheer frequency ...

Scorpio will comfortably have more GPU resources and compute ability to deliver better results than a 1060 on PC.

Except nVidia or more specifically, Pascal... Tends to have more performance than AMD even with "less GPU resources and compute ability".

Until the next round of GPU's come out and driver support hits that proverbial brick wall that shows AMD GPU's aging better and better performing at DX12 and Vulkan....time and time again... 

Devs don't have to wait on drivers for console, games come right off the metal and DX12 is baked in this case. Underwritting this custom design is silly, AMD cores were built to be used this way to their fullest, no cpu/driver overhead like on PC reducing performance. In this case its running above the base clock of a  PC part (one that features less CU's) , has a wide bus, hardware optimizations(not just software) ...this thing is going to be a graphics  workhorse in a small box you can fit on your  shelf. Pretty rad.



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Mafioso said:
Pemalite said:

Except nVidia or more specifically, Pascal... Tends to have more performance than AMD even with "less GPU resources and compute ability".

Until the next round of GPU's come out and driver support hits that proverbial brick wall that shows AMD GPU's aging better and better performing at DX12 and Vulkan....time and time again... 

Devs don't have to wait on drivers for console, games come right off the metal and DX12 is baked in this case. Underwritting this custom design is silly, AMD cores were built to be used this way to their fullest, no driver overhead like on PC reducing performance. In this case its running above the base clock of the PC part (one that features less CU's) , has a wide bus, hardware optimizations(not just software) ...this thing is going to be a graphics  workhorse in a small box you can fit on your stand shelf. Pretty rad.

Consoles have drivers as well. They also get updated.

Consoles also share the same API's as PC and then some.

Consoles have bloated monolithic OS's.

AMD GPU's do tend to excel in a few scenario's because of Asynchronous Compute, but nVidia is owning AMD right now. That can't be disputed, nVidia has such a massive efficiency lead over AMD.



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jason1637 said:

Could help us figure out the price of the system. I'm not refering to the Scorpio capabilities because i understand that a PC able to play games in 4K are very expensive but im refering to a PC with similar specs ta  Scorpio, and wondering how much that would cost.

you cant use pc component price to figure out a console price.

Every single component for a pc build will contain it's own manufacturing costs, overhead, retailer cut, etc, with a console it's a single unit, all built in one go.

You'd have better luck throwing a dart at a piece of paper with random prices written on it.



Pemalite said:
Mafioso said:

Until the next round of GPU's come out and driver support hits that proverbial brick wall that shows AMD GPU's aging better and better performing at DX12 and Vulkan....time and time again... 

Devs don't have to wait on drivers for console, games come right off the metal and DX12 is baked in this case. Underwritting this custom design is silly, AMD cores were built to be used this way to their fullest, no driver overhead like on PC reducing performance. In this case its running above the base clock of the PC part (one that features less CU's) , has a wide bus, hardware optimizations(not just software) ...this thing is going to be a graphics  workhorse in a small box you can fit on your stand shelf. Pretty rad.

Consoles have drivers as well. They also get updated.

Consoles also share the same API's as PC and then some.

Consoles have bloated monolithic OS's.

AMD GPU's do tend to excel in a few scenario's because of Asynchronous Compute, but nVidia is owning AMD right now. That can't be disputed, nVidia has such a massive efficiency lead over AMD.

 

Look , we are going to dance forever on this one :P

I'm an Nvidia fan, actually Team Green all the way. I simply don't buy AMD GPU's, much to do with the fact that i have a large 3DVision catalog i still like to go back to.

Scorpio is packing some smart engineering for a small form factor solution though, and i have no doubt it will serve my 4K HDR TV well with those console games. We'll have to have the games IQ do the talking when they actually come out, but seems all is there for developers to put forth a nice balance of eye candy at 4K w/ HDR. Of course not everything can be native 4K, i pressume dynamic scaling (not checkerbaord) will be preferred solution when otherwise to maintain higher IQ settings and framerate. Plenty of buffer there to have HQ textures and assets to have to resort to reconstruction.

The GTX1060 argument is a funny one though. As a GTX780 owner that on these very forums was told that it wasn't up to snuff for 4K gaming when i used it as an example of 4K med/high capable i in the past following Scorpio's early spec unveil at E3(even though i did plenty of it at high settings), now a comparable 1060 is a better 4K alternative than what is in Scorpio ? If one is arguing a 1060 can do 4K, then one is arguing the Scorpio is adept for 4K also. 

4K it is. Glad that's out of the way...lol



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HoloDust said:
This was second link on "Scorpio equivalent PC" search:

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/link9933/saved/#view=phrf7P

~ $560...at the moment.

No OS or controller. Also, I don't think that Scorpio will run RotTR at 23fps on 4k.



Kerotan said:

 

 

Yerm said:
if theres one thing i learned from actually putting a PC together, its that you can not actually compare the two. consoles games are always better optimized, and with PC you always have to ask yourself if there is a slightly better part you could get for a few bucks more. the ecosystems are so different that it really is impossible to do a proper spec/price comparison.

Yeah I have to agree with this.  The optimisations on console games is the really big plus.  Developers know exactly what people will have and that makes it much easier on them. 

One big upside to the PC is free online, and a wealth of exclusives (mostly smaller, niche titles, but good games in their own right).
Over the course of a generation, the money you save on not paying for online, almost buys you your next PC / upgrade.



Lawlight said:
HoloDust said:
This was second link on "Scorpio equivalent PC" search:

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/link9933/saved/#view=phrf7P

~ $560...at the moment.

No OS or controller. Also, I don't think that Scorpio will run RotTR at 23fps on 4k.

Thats with everything on Ultra settings. Put it at the settings it would most likely be running at on the Scorpio and it will run 4K@30fps no problem with room to spare.