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Microsoft’s Efforts to Bring Japanese Games to Xbox One Should be Encouraged, Not Mocked

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estebxx said:
BraLoD said:

You have to understand you are a minority, the mass already proved their lack of care.

I agree with games being ported, it's not a problem per se, all games should be available on a single place in an ideal world, but exclusivity can be better for them on the real world, even big games that get ports are performing horribly on the XBOX like FFXV and MGSV, and exclusivity push could have driven more people to be interested on it (as it happens) and for minor games it can mean a lot, as they get visibility by being exclusive, and it might be more benefical than being on multiple platforms, specially if the one it would open to wouldn't grant much more sales anyway.

I think NioH is a good example of this.

These make sense. It's established franchises with a sizable following who are not exclusives... 



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    We aren't falling for it again. They tried with 360 by locking up 2 or 3 JRPG exclusives and as soon as they had our commitment they shit canned any notion of genre diversity and went full dude bro with nothing but western military shooters and sports games. The unholy Microsoft-EA-Activision alliance leading the video game industry brought nothing but bad things for a decade.

    It's too late now. They aren't too be trusted.

     

    They can just keep making Halo remasters until they die for all I care. I'm glad my hobby is recovering its roots after a 10 year glut of green and brown shooting games.



    Jazz2K said:
    Turkish said:

    PS4 owners like me dont want an Xbox for the same games, how can MS sell us their Xboxes? By doing something different and giving us games not available on PS4.

    I dont think you know the history of MS and Japan. People liked that era because they had their own exclusives, from JSRF to Lost Odyssey.

    People dont care about PS2 ports nor PS4 ports on Xbox. They want new experiences they cant get on Playstation. PS4 ports are gonna bomb on Xbox, thats why no one is porting games, the publishers did the math, they know where the audience is, they dont drive extra sales on Xbox.

    Why would I buy Xbox if it's getting DQ11 or Nier when I can get them on PS4, I dont need an extra system for that. It's all about MS trying to make their system attractive to potential customers, and they aint doing it by giving us PS4 owners PS4 ports. Not sure what's so hard to understand.

    Also it's not me who has an issue with exclusives it's you, you seem really defensive about it, to me it means nothing, whether MS brings something new to the table and convince us non-Xbox owners to buy their system is up to them.

    Not every games has to be exclusive you know. And you will never sell to everyone just like not everyone prefers Sony games or consoles. When I see the efforts Phil is putting in Japan I don't see it like he wants to build a strong relationship full of exclusive titles. I see it more like he wants most big Japanese games to come to Xbox as well as PS or Switch. Right now it's not the case.  Someone that like games like Halo and Assassin's Creed and Persona are in a strange position because Persona could be multiplat thus making that person happy and keep buying MS products. And again, it's not the case right now. 

    Most gamers care not for exclusives they just want the games they like the most which are multiplat whether you like it or not. People hear that PS4 is the most powerful, and at a lower price and that Xbox is "sh**" compared to PS because they have fewer games, is less powerful and so on and so on... they will just get a Playstation and most of the rest is up to word of mouth and advertizing. Most gamers don't look for exclusives that's just enthusiasts (am I allowed to use that word?) that care for them. Japanese games don't have to be exclusive to Sony unless Sony pays them to and that's why Phil is trying to do something. Now it's up to us as gamers to either mock Phil for trying or encourage him to rebuilt that relationship.

    Are you just ignoring what I say? I just gave you a reason why people like me who dont own an Xbone and might be potential customers would want an Xbone, and it's because exclusives we dont get on PS4. Why are you still going on about "bbuut not everyone cares about exclusives people just wanna play some gaemz!"

    Lol, we're not gonna buy an Xbone to play PS4 ports. Sure the tiny minority like you who prefer JPN games on their Xbox would be satisfied, but neither MS would be expanding their install base nor would it be profitable for the studios.

    If Phil went to Japan to beg some ports then that should not be encouraged, he shouldn't 1. waste Microsoft's money on projects that don't grow Xbox install base and 2. screw the studios by having them make ports that dont make money



    I think MS started right with the 360 when it got Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Tales of Vesperia, Ace Combat 6 and Star Ocean 4 but for some reason it didn't continue.



    Turkish said:
    Jazz2K said:

    Not every games has to be exclusive you know. And you will never sell to everyone just like not everyone prefers Sony games or consoles. When I see the efforts Phil is putting in Japan I don't see it like he wants to build a strong relationship full of exclusive titles. I see it more like he wants most big Japanese games to come to Xbox as well as PS or Switch. Right now it's not the case.  Someone that like games like Halo and Assassin's Creed and Persona are in a strange position because Persona could be multiplat thus making that person happy and keep buying MS products. And again, it's not the case right now. 

    Most gamers care not for exclusives they just want the games they like the most which are multiplat whether you like it or not. People hear that PS4 is the most powerful, and at a lower price and that Xbox is "sh**" compared to PS because they have fewer games, is less powerful and so on and so on... they will just get a Playstation and most of the rest is up to word of mouth and advertizing. Most gamers don't look for exclusives that's just enthusiasts (am I allowed to use that word?) that care for them. Japanese games don't have to be exclusive to Sony unless Sony pays them to and that's why Phil is trying to do something. Now it's up to us as gamers to either mock Phil for trying or encourage him to rebuilt that relationship.

    Are you just ignoring what I say? I just gave you a reason why people like me who dont own an Xbone and might be potential customers would want an Xbone, and it's because exclusives we dont get on PS4. Why are you still going on about "bbuut not everyone cares about exclusives people just wanna play some gaemz!"

    Lol, we're not gonna buy an Xbone to play PS4 ports. Sure the tiny minority like you who prefer JPN games on their Xbox would be satisfied, but neither MS would be expanding their install base nor would it be profitable for the studios.

    If Phil went to Japan to beg some ports then that should not be encouraged, he shouldn't 1. waste Microsoft's money on projects that don't grow Xbox install base and 2. screw the studios by having them make ports that dont make money

    I'm not ignoring what you say at all. You talk about you and your tastes. You talk about Sony fans buying games on Xbox instead of buying them on PS4. That's not what I'm talking about and I don't think Phil expects  Sony fans to switch. Not everything MS does is solely to counter Sony. MS has customers that would like to play Japanese games  and they can't do so on Xbox. You act like people look and want only exclusives but that's not the case. If games are exclusive people will get that console just like they would for Sony made games. As for the games that could be multiplat like Star Ocvean, Persona, Nier etc well they could find an audience on Xbox.



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    Seventizz said:
    ShadowSoldier said:
    Well I can't avoid mocking them when they do counter-productive things like cancel Scalebound. That's as dumb as the James Harden trade. Just plain stupid that everyone could see was a bad idea from a mile away.

    Why do people just assume SB was cancelled out of spite?  Like MS doesn't want to release a new IP for the heck of it?  Has it ever crossed your mind that maybe it wasn't coming along as good as promised?

     

    They may have done gaming a favour by cancelling it.

    You never do the medium any favours by killing ideas before they can hit the market for everyone to learn from. Good or Bad. Look at Nier. The first one was railed by critics and is exactly the kind of game that Microsoft would have cancelled before even marketing.

    Microsoft is TERRIFIED of risk. This is what seperates them from Sony and Nintendo. That aversion for risk is what we all identify as milking. It's Killed Halo, it's killing COD and it has pretty much neutered Gears of War.

    They don't understand the essence of gaming. They dont deserve to be in the medium in the first place, if this is the stance they take. When they had something to prove MS was a force. Such a force that people wondered if Sony could even mount a comeback for the next gen (But they did it with the PS3 slim) Microsoft approached Gen 7 with a chip on their shoulder. Achievements, A strong focus on Online Gameplay and community. Microsoft 2005-2010 is not Microsoft 2013- Present.

     

    They Suck.


    Fuck MS.



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    Then again, Japanese close mindedness has resulted in a pretty poor offering across the board... Of course you have a few exceptions... But IMHO their glory days are largely overstated and over rated today.... And even the good ones lack of ambition and especially lack of crativity it's been pretty much the same formula reaheated a hundred times over... It's just stale by now....
    And their stubborn uncalled patriotism is weakening their own companies... Not enough localizations, not enough multi plat= les ROI= less and less budget for the next game= less and less quality.... They need to wake up and get into the 21st century era of doing business especially in the tech industry it's more true than anywhere else...

    So working with MS if only to have their games on PC should be a no brainer....



    ShadowSoldier said:
    Seventizz said:

    Why do people just assume SB was cancelled out of spite?  Like MS doesn't want to release a new IP for the heck of it?  Has it ever crossed your mind that maybe it wasn't coming along as good as promised?

     

    They may have done gaming a favour by cancelling it.

    You never do the medium any favours by killing ideas before they can hit the market for everyone to learn from. Good or Bad. Look at Nier. The first one was railed by critics and is exactly the kind of game that Microsoft would have cancelled before even marketing.

    Microsoft is TERRIFIED of risk. This is what seperates them from Sony and Nintendo. That aversion for risk is what we all identify as milking. It's Killed Halo, it's killing COD and it has pretty much neutered Gears of War.

    They don't understand the essence of gaming. They dont deserve to be in the medium in the first place, if this is the stance they take. When they had something to prove MS was a force. Such a force that people wondered if Sony could even mount a comeback for the next gen (But they did it with the PS3 slim) Microsoft approached Gen 7 with a chip on their shoulder. Achievements, A strong focus on Online Gameplay and community. Microsoft 2005-2010 is not Microsoft 2013- Present.

     

    They Suck.


    Fuck MS.

    wait Sony taking risks ???? We are talking about the same company here???? If there is a company with a shit management, holding on one leg for a decade, with zero ambition, bleeding cash like a slitted swine, not even able to leverage their own licences to support it's own divisions it's Sony.... I know I actually worked with their marketing division in Europe in the past and one of my best friend is handling their social media advertising budget... If there is one company lacking ambition and vision it's Sony by far.... Sea of thieves, sunset overdrive, fable, halo, forza h, QB etc were all more ambitious and original than what I ha e seen coming out of sony



    endimion said:
    Then again, Japanese close mindedness has resulted in a pretty poor offering across the board... Of course you have a few exceptions... But IMHO their glory days are largely overstated and over rated today.... And even the good ones lack of ambition and especially lack of crativity it's been pretty much the same formula reaheated a hundred times over... It's just stale by now....
    And their stubborn uncalled patriotism is weakening their own companies... Not enough localizations, not enough multi plat= les ROI= less and less budget for the next game= less and less quality.... They need to wake up and get into the 21st century era of doing business especially in the tech industry it's more true than anywhere else...

    So working with MS if only to have their games on PC should be a no brainer....

    Funny how, as you post this, the front page shows two Japanese games with 90+ metascore. RE7, Nioh, Nier and Yakuza 0 are prominent 2017 critical hits. Soon, Splatoon 2 & ARMS will join the list. The Last Guardian is too recent to be forgetton as well. Toss in Danganronpa and Zero Escape 2017 collections and tell me you are not living in a post-fact world.



    endimion said:
    ShadowSoldier said:

    You never do the medium any favours by killing ideas before they can hit the market for everyone to learn from. Good or Bad. Look at Nier. The first one was railed by critics and is exactly the kind of game that Microsoft would have cancelled before even marketing.

    Microsoft is TERRIFIED of risk. This is what seperates them from Sony and Nintendo. That aversion for risk is what we all identify as milking. It's Killed Halo, it's killing COD and it has pretty much neutered Gears of War.

    They don't understand the essence of gaming. They dont deserve to be in the medium in the first place, if this is the stance they take. When they had something to prove MS was a force. Such a force that people wondered if Sony could even mount a comeback for the next gen (But they did it with the PS3 slim) Microsoft approached Gen 7 with a chip on their shoulder. Achievements, A strong focus on Online Gameplay and community. Microsoft 2005-2010 is not Microsoft 2013- Present.

     

    They Suck.


    Fuck MS.

    wait Sony taking risks ???? We are talking about the same company here???? If there is a company with a shit management, holding on one leg for a decade, with zero ambition, bleeding cash like a slitted swine, not even able to leverage their own licences to support it's own divisions it's Sony.... I know I actually worked with their marketing division in Europe in the past and one of my best friend is handling their social media advertising budget... If there is one company lacking ambition and vision it's Sony by far.... Sea of thieves, sunset overdrive, fable, halo, forza h, QB etc were all more ambitious and original than what I ha e seen coming out of sony

    No Go on. Tell me how the trifecta of Forza/Halo/Gears and the dead carcass of Fable outclass the output Sony has had this year ALONE. 



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