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Lawlight said:
aLkaLiNE said:

It doesn't matter what she listed herself as and it doesn't make that fact. I could put "president of the United States" on my Twitter account but does that make it any more true? Bio ware themselves stated that she's not the lead animator. It's right there in my post.

Well forgive me for thinking that a person wouldn't publicly lie about his/her job on social media. Your POTUS isn't a good analogy because it's an easily verifiable piece of info. If you said on faceboon, twitter and linkedin that you were a developer who worked on MA: A, for example, and posted your name and picture, there'd be no reason to doubt you.

If you're going to post such an incriminating or damning article though, don't you think it'd be reasonable to do some digging first?

 

Im not trying to come off as an asshole toward you. My knee jerk reaction is from that article and the nature of that article goes against some of my core beliefs. But even from a logical standpoint, at best, If EA was singling her out themselves I would just assume that they're trying to make her a scapegoat for all the bad buzz surrounding the game.  Fortunately that doesn't seem to be the case. And logically, if she had been the lead animator, it still wouldn't be her fault because she didnt and couldn't have made the decision to ship the game as it is. That's ultimately a decision that falls on the people funding the game. The "fault" for this game starts at the top and, if people want someone to point fingers at, then let it be the multimillionaire CEOs that were willing to misrepresent the game for months prior to early access. I'm sure they have much thicker skin than the overworked and underpaid developers anyway.



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Why even link to a terrible load of crap like this?



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

aLkaLiNE said:
Lawlight said:

Well forgive me for thinking that a person wouldn't publicly lie about his/her job on social media. Your POTUS isn't a good analogy because it's an easily verifiable piece of info. If you said on faceboon, twitter and linkedin that you were a developer who worked on MA: A, for example, and posted your name and picture, there'd be no reason to doubt you.

If you're going to post such an incriminating or damning article though, don't you think it'd be reasonable to do some digging first?

 

Im not trying to come off as an asshole toward you. My knee jerk reaction is from that article and the nature of that article goes against some of my core beliefs. But even from a logical standpoint, at best, If EA was singling her out themselves I would just assume that they're trying to make her a scapegoat for all the bad buzz surrounding the game.  Fortunately that doesn't seem to be the case. And logically, if she had been the lead animator, it still wouldn't be her fault because she didnt and couldn't have made the decision to ship the game as it is. That's ultimately a decision that falls on the people funding the game. The "fault" for this game starts at the top and, if people want someone to point fingers at, then let it be the multimillionaire CEOs that were willing to misrepresent the game for months prior to early access. I'm sure they have much thicker skin than the overworked and underpaid developers anyway.

You're right - I should have done some journalistic investigations first.



Good grief.. I think all this hoopla further proves that this series needs to be put to bed. This latest entry seems to have tainted it more than Other M has tainted the Metroid series..



 

"We hold these truths to be self-evident - all men and women created by the, go-you know.. you know the thing!" - Joe Biden

Look, a feminist, let's burn her! /s 

aLkaLiNE said:

Facts? Lol. Quick to carry on the witch hunt I see. It's apparent you also did your due diligence in fact checking as well
/s

It's not right to single any individual out for a game that was built by a team.

http://kotaku.com/scumbags-harass-woman-for-working-on-mass-effect-andro-1793410647

"Allie Rose-Marie Leost, who worked for EA’s motion-capture labs in Vancouver, saw vicious harassment on Twitter and other websites today, most often from people who blamed her for Andromeda’s awkward facial animations. The harassment appears to have been primarily triggered by a vile blog post at Ralph Retort, a right-wing, GamerGate-tied website, that claimed Leost was the lead facial animator on Andromeda. That website also accused her of performing sexual acts to get her job at EA.

As often happens with these internet witch-hunts, the harassment campaign against Leost was based on false information. BioWare today released a statement clarifying that she was not, in fact, a lead animator on Mass Effect: Andromeda. (There has been some confusion over whether Leost’s social media posts indicated that she was a lead, but given that she worked at EA Labs and not at the Andromeda team’s offices in Montreal, it’s clear that’s not the case.)"



And on that note, I'll add that you're part of today's problems: quick to crucify without the insight to double check your "facts". Did you even bother corroborating this story from another source?

Well said.



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Goodnightmoon said:

Look, a feminist, let's burn her! /s 

aLkaLiNE said:

Facts? Lol. Quick to carry on the witch hunt I see. It's apparent you also did your due diligence in fact checking as well
/s

It's not right to single any individual out for a game that was built by a team.

http://kotaku.com/scumbags-harass-woman-for-working-on-mass-effect-andro-1793410647

"Allie Rose-Marie Leost, who worked for EA’s motion-capture labs in Vancouver, saw vicious harassment on Twitter and other websites today, most often from people who blamed her for Andromeda’s awkward facial animations. The harassment appears to have been primarily triggered by a vile blog post at Ralph Retort, a right-wing, GamerGate-tied website, that claimed Leost was the lead facial animator on Andromeda. That website also accused her of performing sexual acts to get her job at EA.

As often happens with these internet witch-hunts, the harassment campaign against Leost was based on false information. BioWare today released a statement clarifying that she was not, in fact, a lead animator on Mass Effect: Andromeda. (There has been some confusion over whether Leost’s social media posts indicated that she was a lead, but given that she worked at EA Labs and not at the Andromeda team’s offices in Montreal, it’s clear that’s not the case.)"



And on that note, I'll add that you're part of today's problems: quick to crucify without the insight to double check your "facts". Did you even bother corroborating this story from another source?

Well said.

So misandrist = feminist, got it...



Lawlight said:
Goodnightmoon said:

Look, a feminist, let's burn her! /s 

Well said.

So misandrist = feminist, got it...

Coming from someone who thinks islam and feminism are the worst problems of the world, I'm inclined to believe feminism and misandrism are mostly the same concept for you.



Goodnightmoon said:
Lawlight said:

So misandrist = feminist, got it...

Coming from someone who thinks islam and feminism are the worst problems of the world, I'm inclined to believe feminism and misandrism are mostly the same concept for you.

Don't put words in my mouth, especially when you're the one who labelled someone who hates men a feminist. So you equate the 2.



This is the kind of thing that makes me feel like leaving the games cmmunity. How people go after others over small petty things.
Criticizing the game is fine, going after the individual creators is not. It's disgusting.



Lawlight said:
Goodnightmoon said:

Coming from someone who thinks islam and feminism are the worst problems of the world, I'm inclined to believe feminism and misandrism are mostly the same concept for you.

Don't put words in my mouth, especially when you're the one who labelled someone who hates men a feminist. So you equate the 2.

Funny you said that since you are the one calling her misandrist just because the title of a showreel that you haven't seen and you know nothing about the actual content yet is enough to trigger your alarms. If she is bad at her work, then she is bad at her work, wether she likes or hates men is irrelevant, specially when you have zero proof of that, yet you though it was something so relevant that you even put it on the title, which is pretty suspicious given your constant anti-feminism agenda, I guess you think Bioware are a bunch of SJWs for trying to be inclusive on their games and they just hired a manhater feminist for being a manhater feminist and she did a horrible job, but as you saw, she wasn't the lead animator.