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WolfpackN64 said:
etking said:
Very one-sided observation. How many hundred attacks are made on Germans every day, how many rapes and rape attempts, how many sexual assaults, how many cases of armed robbery and how many terrorist attacks?

Violence is always bad but focusing on one side is equal to denying the truth. But left-fascists are closing their eyes and want to see German people suffer and die.

1. left-fascism doesn't exist

2. You people would claim migrants only rape an assault and kill while it's been statistically shown assaults against migrants are by far more common.

I'm not gonna discuss this refugees issues. I just want refer to 1st point. Actually it's exactly opposite. Fascism it's 100% left ideology. This common misunderstanding it's often repeated  mainly because people associate nationalism with both fascism and right. But this is very narrow interpretation. Fascism it's not about nationalism (at least not only/mainly), it's about state control of individuals, which is exactly opposite of what right wing is for.



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Aura7541 said:

It's hard for someone who doesn't understand German.

What about Point 7? It appears to be referencing Table 62 from BKA.

Looks like you didn't pay too much attention to the other thread I remember the image posted in then (you were active in that one aswell). I already clarified there that this is not from the BKA and that using crime/100k for populations far below 100k is gravely misleading.

The referenced "table 62" can't be found on the BKA website, but there are hundreds of crime reports on there for 2014 (by different ages/citizenship/income/etc etc tec) - I don't have the time to look through all of that.



Lafiel said:
Aura7541 said:

It's hard for someone who doesn't understand German.

What about Point 7? It appears to be referencing Table 62 from BKA.

Looks like you didn't pay too much attention to the other thread I remember the image posted in then (you were active in that one aswell). I already clarified there that this is not from the BKA and that using crime/100k for populations far below 100k is gravely misleading.

The referenced "table 62" can't be found on the BKA website, but there are hundreds of crime reports on there for 2014 (by different ages/citizenship/income/etc etc tec) - I don't have the time to look through all of that.

Found it for you.

Also, you don't have to look through all of it because I have a legit source here (or here if you prefer your native language). On Page 70, the study shows a table showing the percentage of non-German suspects over the course of time. From 2001 to 2013, that percentage hovered in the mid to low 20s for "Recorded Cases". However, in 2014, that percentage went up to 28.7% and significantly increased to 38.5% in 2015. While much of that has to do with immigration violations, the percentage still went up when excluding violations of migration laws. Before, the percentage appeared to normalize around 20%. However, it increased to 27.6% in 2015. Also, on Page 67, we see that the number of total offenses from Germans have decreased since 2007 and there's a spike from non-Germans from 2014 to 2015.

I do apologize that I didn't catch your clarification, though.



German women fear to leave the house at night and criminal rates, especially sexual assaults and theft / robbery exploded since 2015. But leftists talk about crimes against illegals only whereas many, many more crimes are committed by illegals.

According to recent estimates within the next years the German people will have to pay almost 1 Trillion euro for illegals, many of them using 20 different identities to claim more than 8000€ per month.

90% of illegals will never find a job and the German people have to pay endlessly. Many elderly or homeless Germans would dream of the support illegal migrants receive, they have to live under much worse conditions and with less support. Illegals get everything for free but German rents doubled, prices are rising and taxes and healthcare will need to go up in order to finance the cost caused by illegals.

The worst is the fact that illegals will almost never get deported and have the right to endlessly live on money from the government, while Germans can loose healthcare, their homes and all the money they possess quickly.

Also no-go areas, vigilantism, radical Islamic terrorism and a secondary shariah law are on the rise. Germany will not exist much longer because in today's schools, migrants are already in the majority. In less than 50 years political Islam will take over the country and the Germans, including the leftists will become a hunted minority in their own country.

I do not blame the illegals, they are just acting rationally, follow their religious beliefs and try to make the best out of their lives but I blame our politicians for letting it happen.



mausy said:
WolfpackN64 said:

1. left-fascism doesn't exist

2. You people would claim migrants only rape an assault and kill while it's been statistically shown assaults against migrants are by far more common.

I'm not gonna discuss this refugees issues. I just want refer to 1st point. Actually it's exactly opposite. Fascism it's 100% left ideology. This common misunderstanding it's often repeated  mainly because people associate nationalism with both fascism and right. But this is very narrow interpretation. Fascism it's not about nationalism (at least not only/mainly), it's about state control of individuals, which is exactly opposite of what right wing is for.

No, fascism started out of far-right wing movements and has started even under Mussolini as an anti-communist and anti-left movement. If you think the right is all for personal freedom, I'm afraid you believe in a farçe and to claim fascism is left is simply preposterous.



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vivster said:
Saeko said:

Just want to say something on this quote first :

"Nazis are threatening refugees and therefore our democracy."

In a democracy you ask the people if they want open the door to this full migrant, merkel opened door without asking anyone, so where the democracy they talk about ?


Now, its really bad, Attack on migrant, attack from migrant, every single one is bad, well attack on anybody is bad.

In a democracy, people vote for politicians so that these politicians do not have to ask for every single thing. The majority of people voted for Merkel and the politicians that support Merkel. That is democracy.

According to current polls Merkel's party is only slightly behind a party that is even more on the left and of course supporting the mass immigration. So apparently the majority of voters in Germany are fine with the immigrants.

Welcome to democracy. Where the majority of the people decides what happens. Real democracies anyway.

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Aura7541 said:

Found it for you.

Also, you don't have to look through all of it because I have a legit source here (or here if you prefer your native language). On Page 70, the study shows a table showing the percentage of non-German suspects over the course of time. From 2001 to 2013, that percentage hovered in the mid to low 20s for "Recorded Cases". However, in 2014, that percentage went up to 28.7% and significantly increased to 38.5% in 2015. While much of that has to do with immigration violations, the percentage still went up when excluding violations of migration laws. Before, the percentage appeared to normalize around 20%. However, it increased to 27.6% in 2015. Also, on Page 67, we see that the number of total offenses from Germans have decreased since 2007 and there's a spike from non-Germans from 2014 to 2015.

I do apologize that I didn't catch your clarification, though.

Well, as the total non-german population increased significantly since 2014 it was very much to be expected that the amount of non-german suspects increase along with it. German suspects totals also decreased quite a bit in 2015, which amplified the percentual share non-german suspects had at total suspects.



Did somebody mention that Hitler was socialist? All the bad things that fascism did are now copied by violent left wing activists. This is why they are called left-fascists. Many of them work in the mainstream media and create fake news, supporting limitless immigration while hiding all the negative effects by not reporting about the massive surge of immigrant crimes. The fascists also wanted to control the media and now leftists push along heavy censorship and thought crimes because they want to hide the truth.

Leftists did not directly kill anyone yet but they would if they could. The vast majority of illegal immigrants is anti-semitic and pro-shariah but peaceful, but some are multiple offenders and commit one heavy crime after another. And even if only 1% if the illegal immigrants are ISIS terrorists or supporters, it means we have 10.000 ISIS terrorists in Germany, and more than 1000 are already known to be a potential threat.



Aura7541 said:
monocle_layton said:
Yeah I'm not even gonna bother with this thread. It's gonna go downhill quick with anti-migrant vs pro-migrant arguments that will turn into insults and anecdote-driven statements.

I would however like to see statistics for migrants, natives, races, gender, age, etc. I think the information is too broad to draw a valid conclusion

This is the best I can come up with. This image is from a BKA 2014 study that shows how much each ethnicity commits a particular crime per capita. You can see that those of Tunisian, Algerian, or Pakistani nationality, for example, are at the top for most crimes such as child abuse, sexual assault, and theft. In comparison, Germans are at the bottom along with people of European and East Asian nationalities. Unfortunately, the original link leads to a '404 Not Found', so the image is all I have.

There was also a Switz study (Switzerland is one of Germany's neighbors, so I think it's a valid study to cite) that shows that a higher percentage of people from north Africa and west Africa, for example, broke the Criminal Code in comparison to those of other origins. However, the article says that there is likely not a causal relationship between ethnicity and crime, but rather gender/age and crime. The article says that young men (18-29) are far more likely to commit crime than men of other age groups and women. The previous sentence is very important because according to a German study from BAMF, the migrants are overwhelmingly male (bottom of Page 2) and young (Page 3).

You took the statistic out of context. Like it said, it's not a list about committed crimes. It's about suspected nationalities committing the crime.

It is explained on point 3. Sadly, there is no english translation on it. It works like this: Someone robbed a shop -> Those were probably the two XYZler, Sir. -> Now you got 2 suspects under the nationality XYZ. That's what this list is about.



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Peh said:
Aura7541 said:

This is the best I can come up with. This image is from a BKA 2014 study that shows how much each ethnicity commits a particular crime per capita. You can see that those of Tunisian, Algerian, or Pakistani nationality, for example, are at the top for most crimes such as child abuse, sexual assault, and theft. In comparison, Germans are at the bottom along with people of European and East Asian nationalities. Unfortunately, the original link leads to a '404 Not Found', so the image is all I have.

There was also a Switz study (Switzerland is one of Germany's neighbors, so I think it's a valid study to cite) that shows that a higher percentage of people from north Africa and west Africa, for example, broke the Criminal Code in comparison to those of other origins. However, the article says that there is likely not a causal relationship between ethnicity and crime, but rather gender/age and crime. The article says that young men (18-29) are far more likely to commit crime than men of other age groups and women. The previous sentence is very important because according to a German study from BAMF, the migrants are overwhelmingly male (bottom of Page 2) and young (Page 3).

You took the statistic out of context. Like it said, it's not a list about committed crimes. It's about suspected nationalities committing the crime.

It is explained on point 3. Sadly, there is no english translation on it. It works like this: Someone robbed a shop -> Those were probably the two XYZler, Sir. -> Now you got 2 suspects under the nationality XYZ. That's what this list is about.

Regardless, there is still overrepresentation and it's not only occurring in Germany. As I pointed out, it's a similar story in Switzerland and you remember the Swedish studies I cited on the other thread. A Norwegian study also echoed similar points (I'll see if I can dig it up). Ultimately, there's a pattern and it should be further investigated and addressed.