| Dark_Lord_2008 said: hitler was a national socialist, not a fascist. national socialism is an extreme left wing ideology just like communism. fascism is capitalism on steroids and it has nothing to do with socialism. |
National "socialism" isn't left-wing because it has "socialism" in the name. Nazism is far right and that's that.
Lawlight said:
So, that's how you excuse the violence from the rioting left? Got it. |
Well, unfortunatly we can't throw him into a gulag, so riots it is.
WolfpackN64 said:
Well, unfortunatly we can't throw him into a gulag, so riots it is. |
Using violence against speech you don't like is not an effective action to partake nor is it lawful. Not only did the riots cause massive property damage, but Milo's book shot up on Amazon after that. It only helped him rather than hurt him at the expense of other people's property. Yeah... those riots sure showed him...
Look at this way?
Who knew who Milo was before getting him banned?
Now his name is all over the place..
So imo shutting him down through violence failed in reducing him to obscurity...
Aura7541 said:
Using violence against speech you don't like is not an effective action to partake nor is it lawful. Not only did the riots cause massive property damage, but Milo's book shot up on Amazon after that. It only helped him rather than hurt him at the expense of other people's property. Yeah... those riots sure showed him... |
Well, obviously the laws are going to be biased towards the lawmakers.
| DarthMetalliCube said: Well said, sir. In all fairness, most of what you've described comes from a small contingent of extremists, the problem is that the extremists always make the most noise, while the more sensible moderate majority gets drowned out (on both sides of the isle). Yet, while I still feel as though the bulk of leftists don't subscribe to these sorts of behaviors, what IS frustrating to me is that even many of the more moderate left seem to either excuse this kind of behavor, turn the other cheek, or justify it in some way by pointing to some extreme element/action/behavior of the far right. I'm a liberal, but I feel like my team has completely gone off the rails, and the somewhat authoritarian nature of Trump has only inflamed this. And this will in turn make him take MORE authoritarian actions, and the cycle will just keep gaining momentum. I fear it will reach a fevered pitch where people are going to start ending up dead, and that disturbs and sadens me deeply. It is the result of people not listening to eachother and being further and further carried away by their echochamers of mainstream/social media feeding into their predjudices and ideals. I feel like my fellow leftists have completely lost track of the REAL issues, the issues that matter, and have fallen for the media sensationalism of this pseudo social justice and white guilt bs. They were on the right track with Occupy Wallstreet - the rich vs poor issue, and have migrated to this self-defeating issue of race and gender identity politics. This is the type of trend that has opened up a void for people like Trump (on the political level) and Milo (on the media/acedemia level) to step in and draw a large base from all over the spectrum, even liberals like myself, who are fed up with this reactionary element of the far left, with their hypocracies and their sensationalism in which they take these false social justice group-think ideals to justify their hatred and sometimes even violence. |
You know what, thank you for the intelligent response. We have to understand that left versus right wing is simply a construct setup by rich elites who control both corporations and governments. If we all stay within our politically accceptable boundaries of being a "conservative" or a "liberal" then the ones who define those boundaries will never have to worry about political opposition to their agenda. This is why establishment repubs and dems were both hugely against Sanders and Trump: neither of these men fit the mold of what is politically acceptable to the elites and so we are not allowed to have them as our leaders. This is why the corporate mainstream media in the US is freaking out so much now about Trump and calling for insurrection: men like Soros and John McCain have used this exact same tactic with great success to de-stabilize countires like Egypt, Libya and Ukraine and institute new governments that are friendly to their agenda. We can disagree legitimately on how to best help the poor, etc... But I think that we can all agree that those who are the financial and social elite in our society right now are a cancer and that they need to be stopped.
VGPolyglot said:
Well, obviously the laws are going to be biased towards the lawmakers. |
Indeed, Californian lawmakers which primarily lean left...
Aura7541 said:
Indeed, Californian lawmakers which primarily lean left... |
Message me when California makes the bourgeoisie give the means of production to the workers. Until then, there's no way that they lean left. You're equating liberals with leftists, when liberals are centrists, not leftists.
https://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-books-Amazon/zgbs/books/ref=pd_dp_ts_b_1
Well based on this this the Protest was a trap...
VGPolyglot said:
Message me when California makes the bourgeoisie give the means of production to the workers. Until then, there's no way that they lean left. You're equating liberals with leftists, when liberals are centrists, not leftists. |
No I'm not. If your argument is solely dependent on strawman fallacies, then you have no argument at all. In addition, the law that constitute riots a crime apply to both left and right-wing extremism. If right-wingers riot, then they are breaking the law, too. Your excuse that the law benefits the lawmakers is also an ad hominem fallacy because you're more concerned about who made the law rather than the merits of the law. Not to mention, the burden of proof falls on the person who makes the positive claim, which you failed to do.
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