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setsunatenshi on 17 December 2016
Hapuc12 said:
setsunatenshi said:

I told you the answer, now if you want details you need to educate yourself on the very basics of the big bang theory. There is the entire of the internet at your fingertips so you can easily confirm what I just told you is the current accepted model for the begining of the universe.

If time started at the big bang, there is no before. Why would all the atomic matter need to come from anywhere in order for the big bang to have happened? Time linearity is a law of nature that we perceive from being inside the universe. You can't assume what the laws of physics may or may not be in any possible multiverse since all you can observe is this universe we exist.

This is a really complex subject and I find it extremely arrogant that someone would expect the answer to the origins of the universe to be simple and easily grasped without putting any effort to it. Positing a 'god' that created the universe would simply make things even more complicated because then you would need to ask who created that god.

And if you say 'there was nothing before god', then just replace god by universe and you have your answer. Why do you feel there should have been something before the universe but nothing before this 'god'?

No need to reply, just take these comments and really think about them honestly. It can be overwhelming for someone to admit that actually they don't have a good answer when they previously they could say 'god did it'.

Just know that the reason why the current accepted model for the origins of the universe is the big bang theory because it explains really well why the universe is the way it is. It explains the cosmic microwave background radiation and why the universe keeps expanding. These are observable facts, not shit people make up or wrote in old books. 

Big bang until they prove to me how from nothing came everything and where all the atomic matter came from in order for the Big Bang to start they are never gonna be right.

Yes but our Scientists are so right that even Hawking said that multiverse is crap and converted to deism.

ok, i'll disengage now, you seem to have an agenda to maintain here. I tried to educate you on the facts, now its up to you to do your homework



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Hapuc12 on 17 December 2016
setsunatenshi said:
Hapuc12 said:

Big bang until they prove to me how from nothing came everything and where all the atomic matter came from in order for the Big Bang to start they are never gonna be right.

Yes but our Scientists are so right that even Hawking said that multiverse is crap and converted to deism.

ok, i'll disengage now, you seem to have an agenda to maintain here. I tried to educate you on the facts, now its up to you to do your homework

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH No i really don't,Facts is not something you say some scientist came up with few facts that are full of plotholes.

And like i said they need to prove how from nothing came everything like you said you cant create anything from nothing where is gravity in that where are physics and in the where is the Energy to create the big bang.

Maybe there is no god maybe there is but until it's proven with a real fact that Big bang is real not a theory full of plotholes,but until that happens then you can't say god doesn't exist until it's proven.

And yes we are done with this "debate" :D



VGPolyglot on 17 December 2016
Hapuc12 said:
VGPolyglot said:

The big question is, why do you believe what you believe? One persona may believe that the world is flat and the other round, but that doesn't mean each claim has equal validity.

Because in the end of the day it's better to believe in something and be afraid of something even if it doesn't exist,then to believe in nothing because when you believe in nothing what is stoping you from comiting suicide,go kill someone when you know you will die in the end and nothing will happen to you you won't answer for your sins etc etc no morals in the world.Oh wait we are already living in that world.

What is stopping me from suicide? Because I value my mind and when my brain stops functioning I no longer have a mind. Also, I don't kill others because I care about people. Are you saying that the only reason why you don't kill others is because you'd get punished in the afterlife if you do?



ratuscafoarterea on 17 December 2016
VGPolyglot said:
barneystinson69 said:

Religion of peace...

Yeah, this is one thing I can agree with you on. The Quran is so filled with violence that it's impossible to call it peaceful.

Yet, you are still contradicting yourself. In one hand, you recognize that Islam is violent and cannot be called peaceful, but then you act like the problem lies with us, because we are not open minded enough to understand people that follow Islam. Because of people like you, shit like this is permitted all over UK, France, Australia and now Japan.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=49e_1481983725

 



Hapuc12 on 17 December 2016
VGPolyglot said:
Hapuc12 said:

Because in the end of the day it's better to believe in something and be afraid of something even if it doesn't exist,then to believe in nothing because when you believe in nothing what is stoping you from comiting suicide,go kill someone when you know you will die in the end and nothing will happen to you you won't answer for your sins etc etc no morals in the world.Oh wait we are already living in that world.

What is stopping me from suicide? Because I value my mind and when my brain stops functioning I no longer have a mind. Also, I don't kill others because I care about people. Are you saying that the only reason why you don't kill others is because you'd get punished in the afterlife if you do?

We have taken this argument way out of proportions and i am starting to see you people are getting annoyed but no matter.

(I Wanted to say what is stoping people from commiting suicide)

You are sane,but what happened with Eric Harris and Dylan in 1999 with Columbine just giving an example both of them were athiest.



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VGPolyglot on 17 December 2016
ratuscafoarterea said:
VGPolyglot said:

Yeah, this is one thing I can agree with you on. The Quran is so filled with violence that it's impossible to call it peaceful.

Yet, you are still contradicting yourself. In one hand, you recognize that Islam is violent and cannot be called peaceful, but then you act like the problem lies with us, because we are not open minded enough to understand people that follow Islam. Because of people like you, shit like this is permitted all over UK, France, Australia and now Japan.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=49e_1481983725

 

No, what I'm saying is that we can't attribute all of their actions to religion, because humans are emotional beings and are much more influenced by their social circumstances than what a book says. If you really believe that every Muslim is dangerous, the Bible is just as violent, should we force them all out too?



VGPolyglot on 17 December 2016
Hapuc12 said:
VGPolyglot said:

What is stopping me from suicide? Because I value my mind and when my brain stops functioning I no longer have a mind. Also, I don't kill others because I care about people. Are you saying that the only reason why you don't kill others is because you'd get punished in the afterlife if you do?

We have taken this argument way out of proportions and i am starting to see you people are getting annoyed but no matter.

(I Wanted to say what is stoping people from commiting suicide)

You are sane,but what happened with Eric Harris and Dylan in 1999 with Columbine just giving an example both of them were athiest.

I'm not getting butthurt. I'm just arguing the flaws in your argument. I already said that many atheists wouldn't commit suicide because they don't want nothingness. I'd say that religion has a better ratinale for suicide than atheism: if this life really sucks, why not just end it and be in a paradise instead?



Hapuc12 on 17 December 2016
VGPolyglot said:
Hapuc12 said:

We have taken this argument way out of proportions and i am starting to see you people are getting annoyed but no matter.

(I Wanted to say what is stoping people from commiting suicide)

You are sane,but what happened with Eric Harris and Dylan in 1999 with Columbine just giving an example both of them were athiest.

I'm not getting butthurt. I'm just arguing the flaws in your argument. I already said that many atheists wouldn't commit suicide because they don't want nothingness. I'd say that religion has a better ratinale for suicide than atheism: if this life really sucks, why not just end it and be in a paradise instead?

Because Suicide is a sin.

Atheism 90% the school shootings in America were created by Atheists.



ratuscafoarterea on 17 December 2016
VGPolyglot said:
ratuscafoarterea said:

Yet, you are still contradicting yourself. In one hand, you recognize that Islam is violent and cannot be called peaceful, but then you act like the problem lies with us, because we are not open minded enough to understand people that follow Islam. Because of people like you, shit like this is permitted all over UK, France, Australia and now Japan.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=49e_1481983725

 

No, what I'm saying is that we can't attribute all of their actions to religion, because humans are emotional beings and are much more influenced by their social circumstances than what a book says. If you really believe that every Muslim is dangerous, the Bible is just as violent, should we force them all out too?

Why do you put words in to my mouth? Where did I tell you that all Muslims are dangerous/violent? My point is that Islam is a religion that needs to be reformed just like Christianity did long time ago. It has nothing to do with feelings. Let me ask you a question. Do you remember the Charlie Hebdo massacre? Those guys were making fun and criticizing ALL religions in their cartoons. Why didn’t a Christian or a Jew, commit that massacre?  Why is it that from all the religions, which were offended by the Charlie Hebdo cartoons, only Muslims choose to go and murder those people?



ratuscafoarterea on 17 December 2016
VGPolyglot said:
Hapuc12 said:

We have taken this argument way out of proportions and i am starting to see you people are getting annoyed but no matter.

(I Wanted to say what is stoping people from commiting suicide)

You are sane,but what happened with Eric Harris and Dylan in 1999 with Columbine just giving an example both of them were athiest.

I'm not getting butthurt. I'm just arguing the flaws in your argument. I already said that many atheists wouldn't commit suicide because they don't want nothingness. I'd say that religion has a better ratinale for suicide than atheism: if this life really sucks, why not just end it and be in a paradise instead?

Are you blind? These people say on the streets of London, Tokyo, Melbourne that they will kill and die for Mohamed, and you still continue with "it's all about the emotions created by  social circumstances " BS ....