Ok, i don't know what this is about....

But let me be clear on what my point is;

With PS4pro using a SATA 3 interface, it means it has support for Drives that can take advantage of a 6Gb/s bandwidth. 

So as I have said, with the right hardware combination on the end users part (using a SATA 3 based SSD that has bandwidths up to 500MB/s+) you will no doubt get significant gains in specific use case scenarios (also like I have already pointed out earlier in this thread) when compared to the previous data 2 based interface setup. 

Unless you are trying to tell me that if I put in a 1TB Samsung evo drive into my PS4pro I will not get any meaningful benefit when it comes to load times (and I also pointed out exactly what kinda load times I was referring to) when compared to using a sata 2 based drive or even the same Samsung SSD over sata 2. 

The only other limitation will be on the cpu side or in a more crazy situation the devs coding their game in a way that such benefits can't be had. Now as for the CPU side, tons of random reads may be an issue, but that's not the kinda use case we are referring to here, I am talking about situations where a game has you staring at a loading screen for 30-60secs cause it's moving data from the hard drive. Now if that happens over a sata 2 interface with a 5400rpm drive with peak theoretical bandwidth of 150Mb/s (I keep using theoretical cause we both know that you don't always get the performance advertised on the box) going onto sata 3 with an SSD that has peak theoretical bandwidth of 550Mb/s ; will no doubt be doing better than the previous case scenario even when considering the same performance overheads. Unless the hardware (South bridge or cpu) just doesn't support such higher transfer rates. and there is no way we can know that till someone puts in a sata 3 SSD in the PS4pro.

I don't think Sony would have put in a sata 3 interface in the pro (while the PS4s still has sata 2) if there won't be any benefits. 

DigitalFoundry have done some test on the ps4. the hydrid is a few seconds behind the ssd.

PS4 Loading Times

PS4 Game Performance

Ganoncrotch said:

Yeah when you look at games like The Witcher which can take upwards of 70GB and the fact that the PS4 system files consume about 20-40GB of the drive... ontop of the fact that in a 500GB SSD you're actually going to have 465GB since the number writen on the box is always based in Bytes and it's 1024 of those per KB and 1024 of those per MB and another 1024 of those per GB so yeah I mean you're looking at being able to install maybe 7-10 AAA games on a 500GB drive or closer to 5 games like The Witcher.

What correction is that? Or Correciton?

I pointed out that a 500GB drive will give 465GB, you work out that a 1TB drive will be 931GB, Double the stated amount in my post for a 500GB Drive, just wondering what aspect of my post you thought you were "Correciting"?

This is clearly supporting that the interface (SATA2) is not the limiting factor in this case.

DigitalFoundry have done some test on the ps4. the hydrid is a few seconds behind the ssd.

PS4 Loading Times

PS4 Game Performance

Here is one from Seagate themselves.

SSHD vs SSD vs HDD Gaming Showdown

? I think this is just part of the tech they bought from AMD.

Again - if you put a SATA2 drive in this, you will see great benefits. If you change that to a SATA3 drive, the benefits won't be there in the same way.

An SSD is fast because of its underlying, inherent tech, not because of the interface it is connected to the bus. SATA2 offers a *lot* of speed/bandwidth.

Damn what am i reading? It's almost as if your need to be right or to prove that I'm wrong is making you unreasonable. 

An SSD's "inherent tech" allows it  speeds of 550MB/s (or significantly higher with an nvme drive over a PCie  interface). It will be impossible to hit such speeds if it's connected to a SATA 2 interface. The interface will be the bottleneck. 

On the PS4pro, using SATA 3 means that bottleneck is no longer there and in a case where an SSD in a PS4s would be limited by the sata 2 interface it will excel in the PS4pro.

I don't understand what you are saying....... 

I'm saying

STICKING A SATA 3 SOLID STATE DRIVE IN THE PS4PRO WILL GIVE YOU THE BEST POSSIBLE DRIVE PERFORMANCE. 

Not talking about putting a SATA 3 HARD DISK DRIVE in it cause that won't amount to significant benefits over a sata 2 HDD cause then the limitation is still the disc platters in a hard disc drive (or thr inherent tech if HDDs).

You know what I give up..... Don't understand how something as simple as storage drives over different connecting interfaces can become so complicated. 

Yep, it's absolutely something I don't understand. But people are what they are. Not everybody understands tech, apparently.

Unless you are trying to tell me that if I put in a 1TB Samsung evo drive into my PS4pro I will not get any meaningful benefit when it comes to load times (and I also pointed out exactly what kinda load times I was referring to) when compared to using a sata 2 based drive or even the same Samsung SSD over sata 2.