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carlos3189 said:
vivster said:

The winter argument is stupid. If you don't have touchscreen gloves you won't be able to operate the phone either even if you can press the home button.
From what I've heard the feedback actual feels like a click, so they even did something for the tactical fetishists. There is nothing wrong with the button. Like there is nothing wrong with no headphone jack. Those are just petty complains from people who can apparently afford an iphone but can't adjust to progress.

They did this because space within a smartphone is premium, every cubic millimeter counts. So they will eliminate everything that consumes too much space. Big USB ports, big home buttons, big camera lenses, headphone jacks, SD slots etc. How do you think they'r still able to improve the phones without actually growing in size?

Yeah, cause everybody wants to pay $160 for their earphones... Why the complaint?... I swear...

I don't know where you got that price but good bluetooth headphones are way below 100 bucks. Then there's still the adapter. But if someone is willing to overpay for a phone I'm gonna assume he's also willing to overpay for headphones.



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I thought it was the humming sound when you played games.



vivster said:

The winter argument is stupid. If you don't have touchscreen gloves you won't be able to operate the phone either even if you can press the home button.

I wear Motocycle gloves and I have never had an issue with *any* phone in regards to operation in years, regardless of brand. (Nokia, Samsung or Apple.)

vivster said:

They did this because space within a smartphone is premium, every cubic millimeter counts. So they will eliminate everything that consumes too much space. Big USB ports, big home buttons, big camera lenses, headphone jacks, SD slots etc. How do you think they'r still able to improve the phones without actually growing in size?


But Phones have been growing in size?


Heck, Apple's iPhone 6 plus was the first iPhone to grow significantly in size with it's 5.5" Phablet form factor.

Other companies also don't tend to make cutbacks like throwing away large and effective camera sensors, headphones jacks, USB etc'.
And also typically have larger capacity battery's and still increase performance every year with better processors, more ram, larger storage etc'.



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Pemalite said:
vivster said:

The winter argument is stupid. If you don't have touchscreen gloves you won't be able to operate the phone either even if you can press the home button.

I wear Motocycle gloves and I have never had an issue with *any* phone in regards to operation in years, regardless of brand. (Nokia, Samsung or Apple.)

vivster said:

They did this because space within a smartphone is premium, every cubic millimeter counts. So they will eliminate everything that consumes too much space. Big USB ports, big home buttons, big camera lenses, headphone jacks, SD slots etc. How do you think they'r still able to improve the phones without actually growing in size?


But Phones have been growing in size?


Heck, Apple's iPhone 6 plus was the first iPhone to grow significantly in size with it's 5.5" Phablet form factor.

Other companies also don't tend to make cutbacks like throwing away large and effective camera sensors, headphones jacks, USB etc'.
And also typically have larger capacity battery's and still increase performance every year with better processors, more ram, larger storage etc'.

That means you will also have no trouble with the new home button.

Smartphone components will shrink if we want to or not. The fact that only apple is doing the drastic changes first doesn't mean the others won't follow. Remember when people slammed iPhone for not having expandable storage? Samsung followed and now it's no big deal. Remember when iPhones were slammed for not having removable batteries? Samsung followed and now it's not a problem. Remember when MS was slammed for demanding money for online? Sony followed and now it's not a problem.

These "issues" people currently have with home buttons and headphone jacks will go away pretty quickly. Android phones will definitely lose the jack at some point, though it won't be as much of a problem because by this time USB 3.1 will also be standardized for audio and all headphones will come with usb instead of a jack and no one will care.



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Next year they will figure out how to make IP67 water resistance iPhones WITH the headphone jack intact like Sony Xperias.

Maybe they'll bring back the home button as well after hearing the complaints.

I was maybe gonna buy the 7, but rather interested in the 6S or SE now. Both are still faster than the latest Samsungs as well lol.



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vivster said:
Pemalite said:

I wear Motocycle gloves and I have never had an issue with *any* phone in regards to operation in years, regardless of brand. (Nokia, Samsung or Apple.)


But Phones have been growing in size?


Heck, Apple's iPhone 6 plus was the first iPhone to grow significantly in size with it's 5.5" Phablet form factor.

Other companies also don't tend to make cutbacks like throwing away large and effective camera sensors, headphones jacks, USB etc'.
And also typically have larger capacity battery's and still increase performance every year with better processors, more ram, larger storage etc'.

That means you will also have no trouble with the new home button.

Smartphone components will shrink if we want to or not. The fact that only apple is doing the drastic changes first doesn't mean the others won't follow. Remember when people slammed iPhone for not having expandable storage? Samsung followed and now it's no big deal. Remember when iPhones were slammed for not having removable batteries? Samsung followed and now it's not a problem. Remember when MS was slammed for demanding money for online? Sony followed and now it's not a problem.

These "issues" people currently have with home buttons and headphone jacks will go away pretty quickly. Android phones will definitely lose the jack at some point, though it won't be as much of a problem because by this time USB 3.1 will also be standardized for audio and all headphones will come with usb instead of a jack and no one will care.

I have no issue with the home button.

And I disagree, the removal of expandable storage and the removable battery in the Galaxy Note 5 was critically panned everywhere, to the point where the Note 7 reintroduced expandable storage, even sales of the note 5 were down overall.
Ironically... If the Note 7 had replaceable batterys, Samsung wouldn't have had to waste billions on a recall... I am happy not to be able to replace my battery though if it means I get another feature in return, such as better water proofing, I do enter harsh environments where salt water and mud can be a thing.

I will never accept a phone without a headphone jack, if it means I go Chinese Oppo/Huwei/Windows Phone, then so be it, I'll add to the Chinese economy instead.



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As someone who's been using the phone for nearly a,week....I like it. It's fine. It hasn't given me any issues, and pressing it and getting a vibration felt perfectly natural after just a few minutes. And heck, on top of that, the finger print censors on it works WAY better than it ever did on my old 5s, where I ended up disabling the feature because there was no instantaneous way to access the home screen. Now there is.

The iPhone 7 is a great phone. It's fast, waterproof, and feels as hard as a rock. It's also left me very thankful that I abandoned the Android phones 2 years ago when I upgraded from my galaxy 3, cuz it has nearly everything I want in a mobile device.

Headphone jack would probably irritate me if not for the fact that I've already been using a dongle for years anyway. I had my last phone in a lifeproof case, which required an extra dongle for headphone jack access. I ended up just leaving it on my preferred headphone pair, which is what I'm doing for the 7's dongle now.



I'll be good on a new phone for a few years. I waited a while, as the phones were getting too big for me. I finally got rid of my iPhone 5 in the spring, since they came out with the iPhone SE, which was the same size as the 5.



Pemalite said:
vivster said:

That means you will also have no trouble with the new home button.

Smartphone components will shrink if we want to or not. The fact that only apple is doing the drastic changes first doesn't mean the others won't follow. Remember when people slammed iPhone for not having expandable storage? Samsung followed and now it's no big deal. Remember when iPhones were slammed for not having removable batteries? Samsung followed and now it's not a problem. Remember when MS was slammed for demanding money for online? Sony followed and now it's not a problem.

These "issues" people currently have with home buttons and headphone jacks will go away pretty quickly. Android phones will definitely lose the jack at some point, though it won't be as much of a problem because by this time USB 3.1 will also be standardized for audio and all headphones will come with usb instead of a jack and no one will care.

I have no issue with the home button.

And I disagree, the removal of expandable storage and the removable battery in the Galaxy Note 5 was critically panned everywhere, to the point where the Note 7 reintroduced expandable storage, even sales of the note 5 were down overall.
Ironically... If the Note 7 had replaceable batterys, Samsung wouldn't have had to waste billions on a recall... I am happy not to be able to replace my battery though if it means I get another feature in return, such as better water proofing, I do enter harsh environments where salt water and mud can be a thing.

I will never accept a phone without a headphone jack, if it means I go Chinese Oppo/Huwei/Windows Phone, then so be it, I'll add to the Chinese economy instead.

You will add to the Chinese economy anyway^^

Note doesn't seem to be Samsung's flagship anymore. It's just a bigger screen with no noticeable other improvements over the S7. That's why it had the expandable storage, because it was the same hardware in a bigger case. Now after this disaster they may even abandon the line.

I think the physical reductions are here to stay. At the cutting edge they are always looking for more room inside the case, be it for battery or more chips. Now even more because they've reached the size equilibrium. Human hands and pockets are not going to be bigger so flagship phones will stay within the 5-6" range.

It's easily imaginable that they transit to phones with no physical input at all. They will just ship every phone with a wireless docking station that will handle power and data transfer. That's probably the dream of both Apple and Samsung. Just imagine the free space inside the case and how easy it will be to make it waterproof. Also to make true unibody cases with no cracks or openings at all.

I wouldn't mind that future at all because I'm already using no cables on my phone at all.



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Probably because the removal of the audio jack is a valid argument. Meanwhile even if you have a tactile home button, you still wouldn't be able to operate any smart phone while wearing gloves.