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https://www.rt.com/news/353765-merkel-refugees-attacks-reaction/

 

Merkel acknowledged at a news briefing on Thursday that Islamists could use the refugee flow to infiltrate Germany. She also admitted that even a “powerful country” like Germany “cannot take so many refugees in the long term.”

 

Yet, at the same time, she made it clear there will be no U-turn in the state’s policies with regard to migrants. Dealing with the flood of refugees is a “historic task” Merkel said, while reiterated that Germany“will make it.” She also stressed that “lot’s has already been done,”echoing arguments she had made in previous speeches.

Germany has faced five deadly assaults in just over a week. Three were committed by asylum seekers, and two of those are being investigated for links to Islamic State (IS, formerly ISSI/ISIL).

What do you all think? I'd like to see thoughts on her comments.
personally, I find her logic strange. If Germany cannot accept such a large amount of refugees/migrants, I wonder why she has kept the policies exactly the same. It's not like Germany has done nothing- it's done more than many Islamic countries(surprisingly). I'm sure that adding 1-2 million people in the span of a few years is bound to bring issues.


 

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I don't know. On a practical and moral level, there are reasons to take in refugees. There are obviously security risks as well. Frankly, I'm just glad it's not decision I have to make. It's not an easy one.



JWeinCom said:
I don't know. On a practical and moral level, there are reasons to take in refugees. There are obviously security risks as well. Frankly, I'm just glad it's not decision I have to make. It's not an easy one.

I'm with you on that opinion.

 

Too many people act as though it's a very easy decision. It's not. It'll have an impact on many people for the generations to come.

 

I just hate how Saudi Arabia won't even accept any of them. Shows how disgusting of a country Saudi Arabia is. To think they won't even help their own fellow brothers and sisters. 

 

besides, the migrants would be accustomed to Saudi Arabia's laws much quicker if you think about it. They follow Islam, many Syrian refugees/immigrants do as well, easy transition



 

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I agree with Merkel... Let all the immigrants in, a few hundred of her countries women raped and another few scores of people murdered is no reason to stop. In fact they should increase the rate at which they let them in.... Maybe they can chop a few kids heads off. A win for political correctness all in all.

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hershel_layton said:
JWeinCom said:
I don't know. On a practical and moral level, there are reasons to take in refugees. There are obviously security risks as well. Frankly, I'm just glad it's not decision I have to make. It's not an easy one.

I'm with you on that opinion.

 

Too many people act as though it's a very easy decision. It's not. It'll have an impact on many people for the generations to come.

 

I just hate how Saudi Arabia won't even accept any of them. Shows how disgusting of a country Saudi Arabia is. To think they won't even help their own fellow brothers and sisters. 

 

besides, the migrants would be accustomed to Saudi Arabia's laws much quicker if you think about it. They follow Islam, many Syrian refugees/immigrants do as well, easy transition

Well, to be fair the loyalty of Saudi Arabia's leaders is to the people of Saudi Arabia.  These refugees are not their "brothers and sisters" just because they are of similar ethnicity.  Any more than Germans are my brothers and sisters to be very blunt.  Not saying Saudi Arabia is perfect, not even close.  And yes, they are isolationist in many ways.  But while some say that's stupid or "selfish", I find the emphasis on globalism at the expense of national interests far more stupid.  The leaders of a country should think of their people first qnd foremost, it is to them they have a responsibility, not some group hundreds or thousands of miles away.  

In the case of Germany, I think their policy needs review.  They openly admit they can't handle this free flow of migrants so freaking stop it.  Enforce some form of screening.  You know, like what most countries used to do.  They openly admit these migrants are a huge security risk, doing nothing about it is just...foolish.  Merkel's responsibility is to Germany first, Migrants second.



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Nuvendil said:
hershel_layton said:

I'm with you on that opinion.

 

Too many people act as though it's a very easy decision. It's not. It'll have an impact on many people for the generations to come.

 

I just hate how Saudi Arabia won't even accept any of them. Shows how disgusting of a country Saudi Arabia is. To think they won't even help their own fellow brothers and sisters. 

 

besides, the migrants would be accustomed to Saudi Arabia's laws much quicker if you think about it. They follow Islam, many Syrian refugees/immigrants do as well, easy transition

Well, to be fair the loyalty of Saudi Arabia's leaders is to the people of Saudi Arabia.  These refugees are not their "brothers and sisters" just because they are of similar ethnicity.  Any more than Germans are my brothers and sisters to be very blunt.  Not saying Saudi Arabia is perfect, not even close.  And yes, they are isolationist in many ways.  But while some say that's stupid or "selfish", I find the emphasis on globalism at the expense of national interests far more stupid.  The leaders of a country should think of their people first qnd foremost, it is to them they have a responsibility, not some group hundreds or thousands of miles away.  

In the case of Germany, I think their policy needs review.  They openly admit they can't handle this free flow of migrants so freaking stop it.  Enforce some form of screening.  You know, like what most countries used to do.  They openly admit these migrants are a huge security risk, doing nothing about it is just...foolish.  Merkel's responsibility is to Germany first, Migrants second.

The reason I said they're brothers and sisters is because Islam has a strong emphasis on helping the poor, especially if it's poor Muslims.

 

considering how Saudi Arabia always brings islam first, it's shocking to see them ignore one of the pillars of islam- charity. Whether one agrees with islam or not is irrelevant- it's the fact that they only care about islam when it benefits them that makes it an issue.



 

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hershel_layton said:
Nuvendil said:

Well, to be fair the loyalty of Saudi Arabia's leaders is to the people of Saudi Arabia.  These refugees are not their "brothers and sisters" just because they are of similar ethnicity.  Any more than Germans are my brothers and sisters to be very blunt.  Not saying Saudi Arabia is perfect, not even close.  And yes, they are isolationist in many ways.  But while some say that's stupid or "selfish", I find the emphasis on globalism at the expense of national interests far more stupid.  The leaders of a country should think of their people first qnd foremost, it is to them they have a responsibility, not some group hundreds or thousands of miles away.  

In the case of Germany, I think their policy needs review.  They openly admit they can't handle this free flow of migrants so freaking stop it.  Enforce some form of screening.  You know, like what most countries used to do.  They openly admit these migrants are a huge security risk, doing nothing about it is just...foolish.  Merkel's responsibility is to Germany first, Migrants second.

The reason I said they're brothers and sisters is because Islam has a strong emphasis on helping the poor, especially if it's poor Muslims.

 

considering how Saudi Arabia always brings islam first, it's shocking to see them ignore one of the pillars of islam- charity. Whether one agrees with islam or not is irrelevant- it's the fact that they only care about islam when it benefits them that makes it an issue.

Well I can see two reasons they may not be charitable.  One is that it is a security risk, Saudi Arabia has kept out of most of this mess and only late last year put plans on motion for possible military intervention against ISIL.  Second - and this will sound very cold - they may think a lot of them cowards.  I've seen these crowds, a lot of strong young men are among them that, had they stood up and joined the fight, could have helped prevent ISIL's rise or slowed it.  Yet they fled.  Seems a small issue to us, may not be to members of that culture and region, where conflict has been a matter of life for generations.

Also, the Saudi government is not a religious government, they are not obliged to riske their people's safety for the sake of a neighbor people who have let their country fall apart.

 

Also, I find the irony delicious now that after years of having to put up with Europeans criticizing US Mexico border policies, calling us backwards for our heavy patrols there and comparing us to Stalinist Russia (oh yes, I've seen that),  now Europeans are pushing for tighter border security and screening.  :P



Nuvendil said:
hershel_layton said:

The reason I said they're brothers and sisters is because Islam has a strong emphasis on helping the poor, especially if it's poor Muslims.

 

considering how Saudi Arabia always brings islam first, it's shocking to see them ignore one of the pillars of islam- charity. Whether one agrees with islam or not is irrelevant- it's the fact that they only care about islam when it benefits them that makes it an issue.

Well I can see two reasons they may not be charitable.  One is that it is a security risk, Saudi Arabia has kept out of most of this mess and only late last year put plans on motion for possible military intervention against ISIL.  Second - and this will sound very cold - they may think a lot of them cowards.  I've seen these crowds, a lot of strong young men are among them that, had they stood up and joined the fight, could have helped prevent ISIL's rise or slowed it.  Yet they fled.  Seems a small issue to us, may not be to members of that culture and region, where conflict has been a matter of life for generations.

Also, the Saudi government is not a religious government, they are not obliged to riske their people's safety for the sake of a neighbor people who have let their country fall apart.

 

Also, I find the irony delicious now that after years of having to put up with Europeans criticizing US Mexico border policies, calling us backwards for our heavy patrols there, there are now Europeans pushing for tighter border security and screening.  :P

I agree about the part where it's too many men. However, ask yourself a bigger question- who do they fight? There's too many groups involved in Syria to the point where fighting will either be useless or drag on the war for much longer.

 

Oh, and times do change. The next 10 years are surely going to be something. I wonder if the war will end by then- perhaps start a policy of sending refugees back slowly to rebuild syria(that is if it's in habitable]



 

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I say keep it open! The world needs more examples of why borders exist.



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hershel_layton said:
Nuvendil said:

Well I can see two reasons they may not be charitable.  One is that it is a security risk, Saudi Arabia has kept out of most of this mess and only late last year put plans on motion for possible military intervention against ISIL.  Second - and this will sound very cold - they may think a lot of them cowards.  I've seen these crowds, a lot of strong young men are among them that, had they stood up and joined the fight, could have helped prevent ISIL's rise or slowed it.  Yet they fled.  Seems a small issue to us, may not be to members of that culture and region, where conflict has been a matter of life for generations.

Also, the Saudi government is not a religious government, they are not obliged to riske their people's safety for the sake of a neighbor people who have let their country fall apart.

 

Also, I find the irony delicious now that after years of having to put up with Europeans criticizing US Mexico border policies, calling us backwards for our heavy patrols there, there are now Europeans pushing for tighter border security and screening.  :P

I agree about the part where it's too many men. However, ask yourself a bigger question- who do they fight? There's too many groups involved in Syria to the point where fighting will either be useless or drag on the war for much longer.

 

Oh, and times do change. The next 10 years are surely going to be something. I wonder if the war will end by then- perhaps start a policy of sending refugees back slowly to rebuild syria(that is if it's in habitable]

Well at this time literally everyone is focused on ISIL.  Even the rebels and gov forces have mostly stopped engagin each other to take on ISIL.  Not that they HELP each other :P .  It's quite awkward actually.  And amazing how many people ISIL has pissed off in its short lifespan.

As for the War in the next decade, it will be over by then.  Mosul is nearly surrounded, the Kurds and Iraqis are pressing forward hard.  They've lost major strategic positions like Fallujah, Palmyra, and the Homs region.  Raqqah is under threat. ISIL has actually been losing for months, these recent attacks are desparate flails to keep the fear alive as it is their only remaining weapon.

And on my last statement, yeah times do change.  But the fact Europeans always seem to get such an incorrect vission of the US never does :P.  In the early 20th century they apparently got all their info from US films and the valor of US forces in WWI and WWII and thus envisioned this idealistic Eagleland ("America the Beautiful", as it were).  Then in the late 20th century they apparently got their info from 80s action flicks, the Vietnam news footage, and other such sources and envisioned a bumbling, well meaning goof or watchful chessmaster or some such rubbish.  And now from what I hear most Europeans say, they apparently get all their info from social media, bloggers, conspiracy theorist sites, and the most sensationalist media cause everyone envisions this border-line warzone where every white man packs a magnum to protect themselves from the black men with TEC-9s and both are protecting themselves from hispanics and all the cops kick down your door with a M-4 and shoot first and ask questions later and Marial Law is inevitable blah blah.  Oh, and apparently we are both entitled and poverty stricken.  It's the most hilariously inaccurate depiction of any nation I have ever seen xD.  Which is why I find politics threads concerning US or that go to the US occasionally frustrating but mostly endlessly amusing as all the people not from the US (usually from the other side of the globe) get up and talk about this fictitious caricature :P

Oh and mark my words, those who rant about US border policies will NEVER concede we had a point even as they push for similar restrictions on some of their borders.  Trust me :P