hershel_layton said:
Nuvendil said:
Well I can see two reasons they may not be charitable. One is that it is a security risk, Saudi Arabia has kept out of most of this mess and only late last year put plans on motion for possible military intervention against ISIL. Second - and this will sound very cold - they may think a lot of them cowards. I've seen these crowds, a lot of strong young men are among them that, had they stood up and joined the fight, could have helped prevent ISIL's rise or slowed it. Yet they fled. Seems a small issue to us, may not be to members of that culture and region, where conflict has been a matter of life for generations.
Also, the Saudi government is not a religious government, they are not obliged to riske their people's safety for the sake of a neighbor people who have let their country fall apart.
Also, I find the irony delicious now that after years of having to put up with Europeans criticizing US Mexico border policies, calling us backwards for our heavy patrols there, there are now Europeans pushing for tighter border security and screening. :P
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I agree about the part where it's too many men. However, ask yourself a bigger question- who do they fight? There's too many groups involved in Syria to the point where fighting will either be useless or drag on the war for much longer.
Oh, and times do change. The next 10 years are surely going to be something. I wonder if the war will end by then- perhaps start a policy of sending refugees back slowly to rebuild syria(that is if it's in habitable]
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Well at this time literally everyone is focused on ISIL. Even the rebels and gov forces have mostly stopped engagin each other to take on ISIL. Not that they HELP each other :P . It's quite awkward actually. And amazing how many people ISIL has pissed off in its short lifespan.
As for the War in the next decade, it will be over by then. Mosul is nearly surrounded, the Kurds and Iraqis are pressing forward hard. They've lost major strategic positions like Fallujah, Palmyra, and the Homs region. Raqqah is under threat. ISIL has actually been losing for months, these recent attacks are desparate flails to keep the fear alive as it is their only remaining weapon.
And on my last statement, yeah times do change. But the fact Europeans always seem to get such an incorrect vission of the US never does :P. In the early 20th century they apparently got all their info from US films and the valor of US forces in WWI and WWII and thus envisioned this idealistic Eagleland ("America the Beautiful", as it were). Then in the late 20th century they apparently got their info from 80s action flicks, the Vietnam news footage, and other such sources and envisioned a bumbling, well meaning goof or watchful chessmaster or some such rubbish. And now from what I hear most Europeans say, they apparently get all their info from social media, bloggers, conspiracy theorist sites, and the most sensationalist media cause everyone envisions this border-line warzone where every white man packs a magnum to protect themselves from the black men with TEC-9s and both are protecting themselves from hispanics and all the cops kick down your door with a M-4 and shoot first and ask questions later and Marial Law is inevitable blah blah. Oh, and apparently we are both entitled and poverty stricken. It's the most hilariously inaccurate depiction of any nation I have ever seen xD. Which is why I find politics threads concerning US or that go to the US occasionally frustrating but mostly endlessly amusing as all the people not from the US (usually from the other side of the globe) get up and talk about this fictitious caricature :P
Oh and mark my words, those who rant about US border policies will NEVER concede we had a point even as they push for similar restrictions on some of their borders. Trust me :P