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Should I go to NYC Pride

Yes - Don't Live in Fear 26 70.27%
 
Yes - Bring a Gun 5 13.51%
 
No - People are too crazy/Stay Home 3 8.11%
 
See Results 3 8.11%
 
Total:37
AbbathTheGrim said:
Go but make sure to be carrying the bigger gun.

Unzips pants and checks.... Affirmative!

Oh you mean a man made gun!!!! 

:)



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Cant spend your life worrying too much about would could happend.
Shouldnt let fear rule you.

I think you should go and show support if thats what you want to do.
Also screw those hatefull bastards that shoot at people just because their gay.



If you DON'T go, the terrorists win. That is exactly the definition of terrorism; to scare and intimidate you.

The odds of the parade being attacked are very very slim. Go, and enjoy the festivities! Don't let them dictate how you live.



Dyllyo said:
If you DON'T go, the terrorists win. That is exactly the definition of terrorism; to scare and intimidate you.

The odds of the parade being attacked are very very slim. Go, and enjoy the festivities! Don't let them dictate how you live.

In the very same way that if people stopped going to marathons after Boston.  I absolutely agree.  The thing that got to my sister was the stories of the folks who died as well as the scope of the tradegy.  When we were going back and forth, she mentioned a young lady who had just got her MBA 3 days before and was celebrating her graduation and was killed.  And, yes this is truly sad.  But as everyone has pointed out, fear is the weapon of terror.  So, I will go.  And I am taking my sister with me.   You guys were able to explain it better to me than I was able to explain it to my sister, so thank you all!



Yes, you should definitely go. Every time some kind of terrorist attack happens, people become paranoid nd scared. There are always people who go out and say they will live their lives normally, but there are also a bunch who change their plans or even their habits. For me, that's letting terrorism win.

Maybe I'm a fatalist but I think if you're going to die, it'll happen anyway, so no need to be afraid and stuff. I find it disappointing that so many let these events change their way of living or their plans. I too have never let such fear get a hold of me. Maybe I've become de desensitized to it all and to all the insecurity that comes from living in a big city.



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It's easy to say "do not let the terrorists win" and "don't let fear rule you", when the risk of getting harmed is so extremely small (as it is in a parade with over 100,000 participants, insane security and awareness, and statistically a very small risk of an attack).

But in truth, it's quite hypocritical.

"Je sui Charlie", eh? My ass. It was so easy to write a message on twitter and boast about it where nobody could reach you, but completely different to do something in reality. As soon as the risk becomes significant, we run like chicken. We won't go, we won't talk, we won't write.

Like the aftermath of the terror attack on the French satiric magazine Charlie Ebdo proved one and a half years ago. The terrorists actually won. Nobody paints Muhammad cartoons anymore, not even Charlie Ebdo. People are in general extremely careful to provoke islam. If they do it, it's from a completely safe position. Noble ideas of "don't let fear rule over you" are completely out the window.

As another example, think about the situation in other parts of the world where values are very different and human rights aren't respected in the same way. For example, think of any Muslim country in the world today. Would you go to a gay parade or to a gay club? Would you stand up for human rights and walk with them in solidarity? In countries where the punishment for being homosexual is severe, possibly even the death penalty. And if the authorities wouldn't arrest you, chances are high you'd instead be mauled by an angry mob. No, we wouldn't go. But in these places sometimes, very rarely, people actually go out and show their true selves and provoke the society knowing these risks, but sadly they also face these consequenses. These people are heroes. But they're very rare.

Meanwhile we in the West, we are so moral, we stand up for values and care about the weak. That's what we think, totally ignorant to reality growing up in a small safe bubble.

When we go it's only when the risk is extremely small, not because of a noble cause that is more important than a significant risk. Do not pretend otherwise.



Slimebeast said:

It's easy to say "do not let the terrorists win" and "don't let fear rule you", when the risk of getting harmed is so extremely small (as it is in a parade with over 100,000 participants, insane security and awareness, and statistically a very small risk of an attack).

But in truth, it's quite hypocritical.

"Je sui Charlie", eh? My ass. It was so easy to write a message on twitter and boast about it where nobody could reach you, but completely different to do something in reality. As soon as the risk becomes significant, we run like chicken. We won't go, we won't talk, we won't write.

Like the aftermath of the terror attack on the French satiric magazine Charlie Ebdo proved one and a half years ago. The terrorists actually won. Nobody paints Muhammad cartoons anymore, not even Charlie Ebdo. People are in general extremely careful to provoke islam. If they do it, it's from a completely safe position. Noble ideas of "don't let fear rule over you" are completely out the window.

As another example, think about the situation in other parts of the world where values are very different and human rights aren't respected in the same way. For example, think of any Muslim country in the world today. Would you go to a gay parade or to a gay club? In countries where the punishment for being homosexual is severe, possibly even the death penalty. And if the authorities wouldn't arrest you, chances are high you'd instead be mauled by an angry mob. No, we wouldn't go. But in these places sometimes, very rarely, people actually go out and show their true selves and provoke the society knowing these risks, but sadly they also face these consequenses. These people are heroes. But they're very rare.

Meanwhile we in the West, we are so moral, we stand up for values and care about the weak. That's what we think, totally ignorant to reality growing up in a small safe bubble.

When we go it's only when the risk is extremely small, not because of a noble cause. Do not pretend otherwise.

Very good points.  I would like to respond.

When my sister told me she didn't want to go, it wasn't just becuase of the attack in FL.  It was also the subsequent threats and arrests that took place after that across the country.  Wheteher they were being copycats or not, she was afraid.  The risk was real to her.  That someone could affect her in this way really upset me.  This is the point of terror.  And to your point about people in other countries, namly ones with a heavy muslim population and ruling class, those individuals who do venture out are, as you said heros. So, I will go.  Buit not just on my behalf or the behalf of the victims of FL, but also on behalf of the people who can not and the heros you correctly identified.  

Over the past few years in the US, we have seen the incidences of terror go up.  Speaking out against radicals is still dangerous but our comedians still make jokes and tell it like it is. I am not going to say that our risk is the same as the French or people in Muslim countries face, but I still think it is important to continue living in spite of those risks and know that it could be worse.  In the OP I refered to a coworker who is so afraid of terror dispite the low risk that she will not board a plane.  What we seek to do is to avoid being gripped by fear like those other countries. 

Thank you for your comment.



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CosmicSex said:
Slimebeast said:

It's easy to say "do not let the terrorists win" and "don't let fear rule you", when the risk of getting harmed is so extremely small (as it is in a parade with over 100,000 participants, insane security and awareness, and statistically a very small risk of an attack).

But in truth, it's quite hypocritical.

"Je sui Charlie", eh? My ass. It was so easy to write a message on twitter and boast about it where nobody could reach you, but completely different to do something in reality. As soon as the risk becomes significant, we run like chicken. We won't go, we won't talk, we won't write.

Like the aftermath of the terror attack on the French satiric magazine Charlie Ebdo proved one and a half years ago. The terrorists actually won. Nobody paints Muhammad cartoons anymore, not even Charlie Ebdo. People are in general extremely careful to provoke islam. If they do it, it's from a completely safe position. Noble ideas of "don't let fear rule over you" are completely out the window.

As another example, think about the situation in other parts of the world where values are very different and human rights aren't respected in the same way. For example, think of any Muslim country in the world today. Would you go to a gay parade or to a gay club? In countries where the punishment for being homosexual is severe, possibly even the death penalty. And if the authorities wouldn't arrest you, chances are high you'd instead be mauled by an angry mob. No, we wouldn't go. But in these places sometimes, very rarely, people actually go out and show their true selves and provoke the society knowing these risks, but sadly they also face these consequenses. These people are heroes. But they're very rare.

Meanwhile we in the West, we are so moral, we stand up for values and care about the weak. That's what we think, totally ignorant to reality growing up in a small safe bubble.

When we go it's only when the risk is extremely small, not because of a noble cause. Do not pretend otherwise.

Very good points.  I would like to respond.

When my sister told me she didn't want to go, it wasn't just becuase of the attack in FL.  It was also the subsequent threats and arrests that took place after that across the country.  Wheteher they were being copycats or not, she was afraid.  The risk was real to her.  That someone could affect her in this way really upset me.  This is the point of terror.  And to your point about people in other countries, namly ones with a heavy muslim population and ruling class, those individuals who do venture out are, as you said heros. So, I will go.  Buit not just on my behalf or the behalf of the victims of FL, but also on behalf of the people who can not and the heros you correctly identified.  

Over the past few years in the US, we have seen the incidences of terror go up.  Speaking out against radicals is still dangerous but our comedians still make jokes and tell it like it is. I am not going to say that our risk is the same as the French or people in Muslim countries face, but I still think it is important to continue living in spite of those risks and know that it could be worse.  In the OP I refered to a coworker who is so afraid of terror dispite the low risk that she will not board a plane.  What we seek to do is to avoid being gripped by fear like those other countries. 

Thank you for your comment.

Thank you for the respectful reply. I do acknowledge that the whole subject of terror is complex. Complex from any side you look at it.

And just to avoid any misunderstandings, of course I too think you should go. We must always go.



Go. Chances are slim you get gunned down or something.

As a matter of fact, backing down only shows terrorists that their terror tactics work.