I think many countries will stop companies from doing so, in a world where most of countries are having trouble with high percentages of the population not getting a job the last thing that we need is for more people to get this status...
fatslob-:O said:
Income equality =/= Poverty ... Who said anything about being happy with the status quo ? It would be great if everyone were rich in fantasy land of course ... There is still many chances to be had to get wealthy in the US compared to the over half the countries which have lower income equality ... |
Income Equality plays a part with poverty, up to a point.
But even then the USA has almost 50 million people living in poverty .
https://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/about/overview/
The amount of people living near poverty add's 10's of millions more to that number, bringing it to almost 100 million.
fatslob-:O said:
It would save a lot more than you think. Robots practically work 24 hours with minimal downtime to boot. It would probably take less than 10 months to make the money back ... Just like how some PC gamers keep proclaiming savings in the long run I'll do the same for automation ... Better productivity = better performance A heavily pro-PC gamer isn't all that different from an automation evangelist since they both believe in something that's ultimately superior ... |
Robots will replace humans eventually anyway, that's progress.
However, do keep in mind that Australia has had a minimum wage of $15 or more for almost a decade and robots haven't replaced our workforce yet, but with technology becoming more advanced and cheaper, it's only a matter of time even in the USA.
American minimum wages have been stagnant for decades, despite inflation, a dollar today is worth less than a dollar 10 years ago... Thus an hours work today is worth less than it is 10 years ago. - In 1970 the minimum wage was $1.60 an hour. Today if you account for inflation... Would be worth $10.71. Instead it's $7-$9 in most states. Why? Because a few people are worried about a few cents extra on unhealthy food? Please.
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contestgamer said:
Yeah, I'd much prefer to actually. Robots can't spit in your food or forget to wash their hands after going to the toilet or drop salad on a dirty counter and still put it in the food. Robots are clean, I'd rather them make my food than people |
Actually food workers are not allowed to spit in people food at all and if they are caught they are immediatly fired. This is considered felony assult and the business could be closed down if caught allowing this practice. As for the other items it is against food safety code so if you see it bring it up with management, since McDonalds requires all management to be federally food safety certified, they need to correct the practices. (They are liscened to be food safety managers something most other restaurants don't require, the law requires at least one of the management to be liscened, which Chipoltle's got into trouble with just recently.)
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Sooo, more jobs opening up for engineers and repairmen at 130$ an hour. Good trade-off I'd say
There is a simple solution to this; McDonald's is not the only fast food restaurant in town, and if it is, learn to cook. When a business looses profits because of a stupid decision they make, they change course quickly or are pushed out of the market.
Vote with your purchasing power, sometimes cheap shit is more costly to you and society as a whole.
SamuelRSmith said:
1) There are several "crises" going on right now, so I'm not sure which one you're referring to. The predominant one of the era is the general economic stagnation since the 2008 collapse, so I'm going to assume that. That crisis had nothing to do with outsourcing to cheaper countries. 4) You tell me to read economics, and then show no understanding of how foreign trade works. When an American buys a car from Japan, Americans buy in USD, and Japanese sell in JPY. At some point, a person (usually a bank or fx dealer) will buy JPY for that American, and sell that American's USD. The only way that the dealer can do that is if they find somebody else willing to buy the USD, ie, find somebody wanting to buy goods from the USA. True, that person may not be interested in buying an American car, but they may be interested in buying American corn, or beef, or planes, or financial services, or even a vacation to Disney World. People who tell you that the United States has a trade deficit are only looking at half the equation, the current account deficit. In order for there to be a current account deficit, by definition, there must be a capital account surplus. Read economics. |
The 2008 financial recession was not directly influenced by outsourcing but it was indirectly. Notice when Bill Clinton left office the US had a billion dollar surplus. But, in order to achieve this he put in place higher taxes for companies that were making bank. Oh, but the companies that were successful didn't want to pay higher taxes and started outsourcing. This isn't just limited to the automotive industry. It's general goods as a whole. I just gave cars as an example. If it doesn't affect anything why did the comapnies outsource in the first place? Of course it affects something directly or indirectly or even both. The economic choices we make are linked and if one aspect takes a hit it's like a domino effect. The crisis I am referring to is our debt and poverty.
You're not going to tell me that employing Robots over humans will have no effect on the economy. And it sure won't be a good one. Unless those people who were fired somehow go to college and get a PHD or Masters in Computer Science, and work as scientists working on those robots.
The fact of the matter is, outsourcing is taking jobs away from Americans which is counterproductive to what Congress and the POTUS aim to do to recovery the economy. If there was no benefit [for said company] to outsource, then it wouldn't be happening. It's greed at its finest. Something that Trump continues to talk about even thought I hate his thought process with all my being is finding a way to get back at US companies that outsource. Like GM or Carrier.
If their actions were so miniscule, why is it outsourcing a main point of presidential campaigns? I mean, Detroit+GM=Prosperous. Some of my distant family members were millionaires during that time period. But Detroit-GM=Poverty. So what happened? GM left America for cheaper labor. I'm not talking about buying cars. I'm talking about losing American workers and American wages to cheaper wages. The power is in the people and the people's money after all. No matter what way you slice it. Why even bring up how buying cars and exchange rates work? It wasn't a point I was trying to make.
| OttoniBastos said: That is actually an interesting subject. First world countries eventually reach a point where they don't have poor,uneducated people to do the "low-skill" tasks that any society need someone/something to do it. What we usually see,then,is countries "importing" poor,uneducated people from somewhere else(e.g. Mexicans going to United states,South Americans to Canada,Muslims to European countries,...) but eventually,there will be not enough poor people around the world to import.Thus,the only solution would be using machines to do that simpler tasks. Problem is,we didn't reach that point yet!(more specifically,United States didn't reach that point yet). Replacing people for machines right now would cause some severe social problems short-term speaking(although long term speaking things would stabilize eventually) |
The problem is, there isn't a shortage. Inequality has been steadily growing in first world countries, along with joblessness and poverty. The only reason the joblessness in Belgium went down is because the government scrapped graduated (but not yet employed) students from the statistics. Actual statistics aren't really that rosy concerning our future.
Has he ever considered that earning 7.25 per hour is not a great incentive to give a shit?
I have worked minimum wage jobs before, and I have always given my best, but I was one of the very few people there giving a shit. And I wasn't rewarded by anyone for it either. The bosses treat you like easily replacable garbage, so do a lot of the customers and even your co-workers.
In turn due to the bad athmosphere, constantly changing workers and general lack of interest of everyone involved no one feels resposible for anything.
If you treated your workers with a minimum of respect and created a good athosphere, actually trying to hold on to good people, you'd get better customer service, consistently good food and a better running business all around.
But no. Robots. because maximizing profits short term instead of long term and perpetuating a culture of not giving a shit is more important to you.
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