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What is deal about Rousseff impeachment? Why now? What are the reasons behind this?

Basically...

The normal procedure in regards to social welfare in Brazil should be something like this: the federal government passes the money along to a bank (Caixa) and it becomes available to the families. What happened was that Caixa didn't receive the money from the government, so they had to use their own resources. What happened to the money that wasn't transferred by the government? Well... they spent it. Now we're eyeing a 10% inflation, not to mention our exchange rate has shot up and unemployment has risen to stratospheric levels. 

And that's a crime. There are laws in Brazil that limit government spending... and that move circumvented the fiscal laws we have (and the spending had Dilma's approval). Our government spent way more than they should have. Of course, you can just skip over taikamya's ignorance because the fact that previous governments did the same thing (not to the same extent) doesn't mean they shouldn't've been impeached.

Really, just skip over whatever the guy above said because he's ignorant through and through.

One could argue that a president being 100% ignorant of the corruption going on isn't qualified enough for the job. She must suck ass if she doesn't know what happens in Brasília.

Waldir Maranhao, Renan Calheiros, Michel Temer etc. Who are these people? I mean what their interest in the situation?

Michel is Dilma's vice. Now that she's being impeached, he takes charge. I don't know much about the other two, but they're just as corrupt as everybody else. Especially Renan Calheiros. 

How this will end up, your thoughts? What consequences are to be expected?

Nothing's gonna change. Our institutions are way too dominated by politics and there's a lot of interference in what Brazilians can or can not do. Changing governments could help a bit since the same political party's been in office for the past ~13 years, but it's like changing apples to oranges. Politicians are corrupt in and of themselves and it's not a new goverment that'll eradicate corruption, lol. We need less government, not more.



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taikamya said:

8) Last 4 elections came down to PT vs. PSDB. The PSDB is the second biggest party in Brazil and it was built upon the PMDB. Some politicians did not like what PMDB had become and started the PSDB, and that turned out very well for them. PSDB is the most influential party in Brazil as most of Brazils media giants are affiliated in this party. For example, Luciano Huck, one of biggest entertaining names in Brazils television is a PSDB affiliate.

 

About the media:

Before Temer was the president having the dollar over R$3 was awful according to Globo because Brazilians couldn't go to USA http://g1.globo.com/turismo-e-viagem/noticia/2015/02/com-dolar-nas-alturas-brasileiro-perde-poder-de-compra-e-evita-exterior.html

After Temer becomes the president having the dollar over R$3 is great because it helps our economy since we become more competive for exportation and tourism brings money to the country http://g1.globo.com/economia/noticia/2016/05/dolar-alto-deixa-brasil-barato-para-estrangeiros-e-atrai-turistas.html

It's pretty pathetic how the media influence people and most don't even think about it.



zehh25 said:
taikamya said:

8) Last 4 elections came down to PT vs. PSDB. The PSDB is the second biggest party in Brazil and it was built upon the PMDB. Some politicians did not like what PMDB had become and started the PSDB, and that turned out very well for them. PSDB is the most influential party in Brazil as most of Brazils media giants are affiliated in this party. For example, Luciano Huck, one of biggest entertaining names in Brazils television is a PSDB affiliate.

 

About the media:

Before Temer was the president having the dollar over R$3 was awful according to Globo because Brazilians couldn't go to USA http://g1.globo.com/turismo-e-viagem/noticia/2015/02/com-dolar-nas-alturas-brasileiro-perde-poder-de-compra-e-evita-exterior.html

After Temer becomes the president having the dollar over R$3 is great because it helps our economy since we become more competive for exportation and tourism brings money to the country http://g1.globo.com/economia/noticia/2016/05/dolar-alto-deixa-brasil-barato-para-estrangeiros-e-atrai-turistas.html

It's pretty pathetic how the media influence people and most don't even think about it.

Yeah, I know... I guess Brazil is one of those cases that just can't be closed. Brazil is like a gigantic republican party if you will, its impossible to have democrats run office without imposing their own minds. And the media is always defending who brings in the biggest amount of cash, its not even funny. Brazil may be the worst democracy in the world right now. It's basically a democracy in depression that people want to kill instead of heal. Very difficult times.



Munchies said:

And that's a crime. There are laws in Brazil that limit government spending... and that move circumvented the fiscal laws we have (and the spending had Dilma's approval). Our government spent way more than they should have. Of course, you can just skip over taikamya's ignorance because the fact that previous governments did the same thing (not to the same extent) doesn't mean they shouldn't've been impeached.

Really, just skip over whatever the guy above said because he's ignorant through and through.

Point ONE, not two, ONE thing I said was wrong.

Only one, and provide proof, please, as I did.

Also, are you a political scientist? My wife happens to be. I happen to have a master in sociology. Are you qualified at all in politics to say something like that?

Brazilian laws do not recognize as limit spending a crime. So you're being biased and spreading false information. Wether you like it or not, It's not a crime.

It should be, but it's not.

Now go back to offending people out of free will, its fun to see kids insulting others that just don't agree with them. Come on, bring it on.



taikamya said:
Munchies said:

And that's a crime. There are laws in Brazil that limit government spending... and that move circumvented the fiscal laws we have (and the spending had Dilma's approval). Our government spent way more than they should have. Of course, you can just skip over taikamya's ignorance because the fact that previous governments did the same thing (not to the same extent) doesn't mean they shouldn't've been impeached.

Really, just skip over whatever the guy above said because he's ignorant through and through.

Point ONE, not two, ONE thing I said was wrong.

Only one, and provide proof, please, as I did.

Also, are you a political scientist? My wife happens to be. I happen to have a master in sociology. Are you qualified at all in politics to say something like that?

Brazilian laws do not recognize as limit spending a crime. So you're being biased and spreading false information. Wether you like it or not, It's not a crime.

It should be, but it's not.

Now go back to offending people out of free will, its fun to see kids insulting others that just don't agree with them. Come on, bring it on.

No one cares about what your wife does. Also, the fact that you majored in sociology speaks volumes about you knowing jackshit. 

You don't seem to accurately point out where a certain philosophy falls on the political axis. Also, religion has nothing to do with our crisis. Christianism and homosexuality are way beyond what's happening and you took the opportunity to spread ignorance and hatred.

Go talk shit somewhere else. 



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Munchies said:
taikamya said:

Point ONE, not two, ONE thing I said was wrong.

Only one, and provide proof, please, as I did.

Also, are you a political scientist? My wife happens to be. I happen to have a master in sociology. Are you qualified at all in politics to say something like that?

Brazilian laws do not recognize as limit spending a crime. So you're being biased and spreading false information. Wether you like it or not, It's not a crime.

It should be, but it's not.

Now go back to offending people out of free will, its fun to see kids insulting others that just don't agree with them. Come on, bring it on.

No one cares about what your wife does. Also, the fact that you majored in sociology speaks volumes about you knowing jackshit. 

You don't seem to accurately point out where a certain philosophy falls on the political axis. Also, religion has nothing to do with our crisis. Christianism and homosexuality are way beyond what's happening and you took the opportunity to spread ignorance and hatred.

Go talk shit somewhere else. 

I don't care what you care. I simply stated that I have regular discussions on the matter, some thing that you clearly doesn't. Also you insulting people speaks volume, literally, about you knowning "jackshit", which is what you know. You said yourself you don't know much about the situation, yet you call me ignorant.

You said I was ignorant, yet you just didn' argue about what I said with any proof. Also you have a problem with reading, when I sad religion was the problem, I said IMHO in the beginning of the sentence, clearly you don't know what that means. I spread no hatred, my wife is religious and so am I. But I don't believe that a democracy that is heavily based on religion can be a free one. Again, destroyed.

You go talk nonsense wherever you want, just know that you're wrong and spreading ignorance.



Brazilian here. Our government is a mess right now, and even if I read the news constantly, it's just too much to explain. Anyways, I think Dilma being impeached is a great thing. First off, the PT (Or "Worker's Party") has been in charge for 13 years, and their goverment sucks! Dilma tried to nominate Lula as a minister in order for him to stay away from investigations involving him, that's shady enough to validate her impeachment imo.

Btw, Temer is not the best thing ever, far from it, but at least he seems to know what he's doing. Dilma doesn't even know proper portuguese (Let alone english, lol), and makes a fool of herself at every speech she gives (Most of them become memes or go viral in some form).

Also, this keeps Brazil away from countries like Venezuela and Cuba, which have awful governments that should not be supported in any way (Really sad for you guys in Venezuela btw, I hope you get free from Maduro soon).



taikamya said:
Munchies said:

And that's a crime. There are laws in Brazil that limit government spending... and that move circumvented the fiscal laws we have (and the spending had Dilma's approval). Our government spent way more than they should have. Of course, you can just skip over taikamya's ignorance because the fact that previous governments did the same thing (not to the same extent) doesn't mean they shouldn't've been impeached.

Really, just skip over whatever the guy above said because he's ignorant through and through.

Point ONE, not two, ONE thing I said was wrong.

Only one, and provide proof, please, as I did.

Also, are you a political scientist? My wife happens to be. I happen to have a master in sociology. Are you qualified at all in politics to say something like that?

Brazilian laws do not recognize as limit spending a crime. So you're being biased and spreading false information. Wether you like it or not, It's not a crime.

It should be, but it's not.

Now go back to offending people out of free will, its fun to see kids insulting others that just don't agree with them. Come on, bring it on.

Nonsense

Reiterating, you can just skip over taikamya's ignorance. He represents that 8% of the Brazilian population that approves Rousseff. No one here takes these people seriously, anymore



taikamya said:
Munchies said:

No one cares about what your wife does. Also, the fact that you majored in sociology speaks volumes about you knowing jackshit. 

You don't seem to accurately point out where a certain philosophy falls on the political axis. Also, religion has nothing to do with our crisis. Christianism and homosexuality are way beyond what's happening and you took the opportunity to spread ignorance and hatred.

Go talk shit somewhere else. 

I don't care what you care. I simply stated that I have regular discussions on the matter, some thing that you clearly doesn't. Also you insulting people speaks volume, literally, about you knowning "jackshit", which is what you know. You said yourself you don't know much about the situation, yet you call me ignorant.

You said I was ignorant, yet you just didn' argue about what I said with any proof. Also you have a problem with reading, when I sad religion was the problem, I said IMHO in the beginning of the sentence, clearly you don't know what that means. I spread no hatred, my wife is religious and so am I. But I don't believe that a democracy that is heavily based on religion can be a free one. Again, destroyed.

You go talk nonsense wherever you want, just know that you're wrong and spreading ignorance.

Ok, both of you enough.Even though I agree with Munchies that you were not being really helpful to the point in hand, that is to give a summary on the situation, and instead having this oportunity just bash the other political parties(and surprisingly say almost nothing about Dilmas own political party as if they had nothing to do with the situation), Munchies is also pushing the line here.

Please, lets be civil



taikamya said:
Munchies said:

No one cares about what your wife does. Also, the fact that you majored in sociology speaks volumes about you knowing jackshit. 

You don't seem to accurately point out where a certain philosophy falls on the political axis. Also, religion has nothing to do with our crisis. Christianism and homosexuality are way beyond what's happening and you took the opportunity to spread ignorance and hatred.

Go talk shit somewhere else. 

I don't care what you care. I simply stated that I have regular discussions on the matter, some thing that you clearly doesn't. Also you insulting people speaks volume, literally, about you knowning "jackshit", which is what you know. You said yourself you don't know much about the situation, yet you call me ignorant.

You said I was ignorant, yet you just didn' argue about what I said with any proof. Also you have a problem with reading, when I sad religion was the problem, I said IMHO in the beginning of the sentence, clearly you don't know what that means. I spread no hatred, my wife is religious and so am I. But I don't believe that a democracy that is heavily based on religion can be a free one. Again, destroyed.

You go talk nonsense wherever you want, just know that you're wrong and spreading ignorance.

Your opinion is wrong anyway. 

"PSDB lost 4 elections straight and PSDB and PMDB are like family. A very stupid and aggressive family. PT is also a very stupid party, but PT made those awful alliances because they needed to, not because they wanted. PSDB did them outside elections, because they wanted it. They could have easily said "no"."

Intentions won't matter, I don't get your point. 

"However, this is not a crime in Brazil. An impeachment in Brazil must be backed up by a responsability crime, which Rousseff did not commit according to Brazil laws."

The government used outside resources. That's a crime. 

"Most of politicians in Brazil are extreme-right, or conservatives, because of this."

They're not. 

"Makes no sense to me to say corruption is destroying the country and then put an even more corrupt government in there. One that nobody voted in"

Dilma and Temer had 51,64% of the votes. So yes, people went with Temer. An impeachment is a democratic process with is stated in the constitution.