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I've got few questions to ask residents of the Brazil.

- What is deal about Rousseff impeachment? Why now? What are the reasons behind this?

- Waldir Maranhao, Renan Calheiros, Michel Temer etc. Who are these people? I mean what their interest in the situation?

- How this will end up, your thoughts? What consequences are to be expected?

Thanks.



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Im not a Brazillian myuself but I heard the IMF could get involved. If so they'd better be careful because the IMF rarely has the interests of the native population at heart. Im not sure how much of Brazils assets are nationalized but if significant entities exist chances are they'll come after them like pack of rabid dogs through glorious "privatization". Just look at the IMFs history throughout Africa, The Middle East and South America. Its shady to say the least.



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

It's just a way of the people that was defeated in the last election to get the control of the country again. In Brazil, they stopped the country so the people started to lose jobs, the inflaction is goin up and all these men that you cited above are beneficiary of something. So, it's a coup



Its a rather complicated situation.If you dont follow the story from the beginning and dont have some backstory in the situation on the country, its easy to get lost.Ill try to explain as best as I can, but its better if someone else who has a better understanding of the situation than me comes to explain it better.

The impeachment is happening now because evidences have been found of the president(Dilma Vana Rouseff) involvement in mismanagement of her dutys.I dont know the full extension of the charges, but the main charge against her is for the "pedaladas fiscais", which is considered a crime in the country.And even though there has also been found evidences of corruption, it is not within the charge itself because they were found later, after the first charges were brought.

What are "pedaladas fiscais"?Well, to put in simpler terms, are when the government try to hide its expenses from appearing, by not showing how much they spent to the banks and to the country.Since im not economist, Im not the best one to explain this,since even I dont understand it fully but ill try.Lets say the government spend 1000 dollars with expenses in January.That money needs to be passed along to the banks, either public or private.But in an attempt to make the government look better in the market and have better economic indicators, they withhold the money and just send, for example, 100 dollars to the bank, even though they spend 1000 dollars.This way, since the money never left the federal government, the expenses never show in the end, making the brazillian economy look better than it should.In simpler terms, its a way to disguise the actual economic scenario of the country.

Michel Temer is the vice president of the country(now president for at least 6 months), Renan Calheiros is the president of the brazillian senate and the Waldir is an deputy that got his 15 minutes of fame when he tried to cancel the impeachment and failed miserably.Since they are all politicians, they all have an part on the impeachment for obvious reasons.If you want to know more than that, you would need to know more about the politics in Brazil.

As to where this is heading, nobody truly knows.Again, if you want a better insight into this, you really need to study the background of the country and all the years of history that lead into this.There are others things in play, such as the deep corruption of the political system,and the hate people from Brazil(in general) feel towards the political party of Dilma, since it is atributed to them many of the disgraces that they have now on the country, due to several reasons that spans many years and even I dont fully know all of them.Its a complicated mess.



phelipefabres said:
It's just a way of the people that was defeated in the last election to get the control of the country again. In Brazil, they stopped the country so the people started to lose jobs, the inflaction is goin up and all these men that you cited above are beneficiary of something. So, it's a coup

I may not be an expert on the situation, as trying to follow on the journals alone is hard, but even I can see you are not being impartial to the situation.Try elaborating more and using actual facts so that people who dont know nothing about the subject can trully understand.



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Nautilus said:
Its a rather complicated situation.If you dont follow the story from the beginning and dont have some backstory in the situation on the country, its easy to get lost.Ill try to explain as best as I can, but its better if someone else who has a better understanding of the situation than me comes to explain it better.

The impeachment is happening now because evidences have been found of the president(Dilma Vana Rouseff) involvement in mismanagement of her dutys.I dont know the full extension of the charges, but the main charge against her is for the "pedaladas fiscais", which is considered a crime in the country.And even though there has also been found evidences of corruption, it is not within the charge itself because they were found later, after the first charges were brought.

What are "pedaladas fiscais"?Well, to put in simpler terms, are when the government try to hide its expenses from appearing, by not showing how much they spent to the banks and to the country.Since im not economist, Im not the best one to explain this,since even I dont understand it fully but ill try.Lets say the government spend 1000 dollars with expenses in January.That money needs to be passed along to the banks, either public or private.But in an attempt to make the government look better in the market and have better economic indicators, they withhold the money and just send, for example, 100 dollars to the bank, even though they spend 1000 dollars.This way, since the money never left the federal government, the expenses never show in the end, making the brazillian economy look better than it should.In simpler terms, its a way to disguise the actual economic scenario of the country.

Michel Temer is the vice president of the country(now president for at least 6 months), Renan Calheiros is the president of the brazillian senate and the Waldir is an deputy that got his 15 minutes of fame when he tried to cancel the impeachment and failed miserably.Since they are all politicians, they all have an part on the impeachment for obvious reasons.If you want to know more than that, you would need to know more about the politics in Brazil.

As to where this is heading, nobody truly knows.Again, if you want a better insight into this, you really need to study the background of the country and all the years of history that lead into this.There are others things in play, such as the deep corruption of the political system,and the hate people from Brazil(in general) feel towards the political party of Dilma, since it is atributed to them many of the disgraces that they have now on the country, due to several reasons that spans many years and even I dont fully know all of them.Its a complicated mess.

A really good explanation and the core of problem.

Also, Rousseff has committed several crimes as obstruction of justice, electoral fraud, administrative dishonesty and etc...really complex



mai said:

I've got few questions to ask residents of the Brazil.

- What is deal about Rousseff impeachment? Why now? What are the reasons behind this?

- Waldir Maranhao, Renan Calheiros, Michel Temer etc. Who are these people? I mean what their interest in the situation?

- How this will end up, your thoughts? What consequences are to be expected?

Thanks.

First question: There is a policial operation happening in Brazil called "Lava-Jato" that involves a lot of politicians and businessman that, unlike what happened with past presidents, Dilma is not helping any of them to get rid of the charges, so these people wanted to taker her down so they don't go to jail. There is no corruption charges against Dilma, the only thing she is involved is with these "pedaladas fiscais" (someone explained it alrealdy), but all the presidents did that before and none suffered an impeachment for this reason. Also, since we are suffering with lots economic problems, the population pretty much accepted that it is all her and her party (PT) fault, although the legislative is much more responsible for what happen and PT doesn't have the most seats. The strongest party in the legislative is PMDB, the vice president's party, which made an alliance with PP, DEM, PSDB and other smaller opposition parties and controls around 70% of the legislative (they need 66% to get the impeachment going). By the way, I never said there is no corruption inside PT, to be honest it is one of the parties involved with most corruption, I'm just saying that they are being accused by part of the populition as if every problem is their fault

Also, about the "pedaladas fiscais", the court responsible for judging the executive power expenses (it is refered as TCU) had to judge all past years since the 90's to charge Roussef in one day, because they did never cared about it before, and they just approved all past years, even those that had the same problem.

 

Second question: All these people are being charged of corruption. Calheiros, the senate president, and Maranhão, chamber of deputies vice-president, are allied to Dilma's government, while Temer (vice president), Cunha (removed chamber of deputies president, which is probably the most corrupt person in Brazil, something both government and opposition agree), Aécio (he was 2nd in the president election) and other people you may have read about are opposition (there are other Government allies involved too, but these two are the most known allies in the legislative).

An interesting fact about Temer is that he was charged for some irregularities during a political campaign on May 5th 2016 and cannot participe of any election for the next 8 years (source: http://g1.globo.com/sao-paulo/noticia/2016/05/temer-e-ficha-suja-e-fica-inelegivel-por-8-anos-diz-promotora-eleitoral.html ). This way he is the first president in Brazil's history that has been condemned in a court (the first "ficha suja", as the site says).


Third question: It is probably gonna end up with many corrupt politicians not being arrested, since they will do everthing to stop "Lava-Jato". Dilma will probably suffer the impeachment and won't be able to be elected for 8 years, though I think she would stay away of politics anyway. Brazil's economy should see an improvment sooner than if Dilma was still the president, because Temer is closer to the deputies and should be able to aprove some economical and fiscal changes. And, in my opinion, political crisis will continue untill we have new elections, because part of the population already noticed that it is not only because of Dilma and PT that we have these problems, in fact we had some protests against Temer already.

 

Maybe you don't know, but there are parties which are not allied neither to government nor to the opposition that want a new election. They are based on the fact that TSE (the court responsible for judging irregularities during elections) charges both Dilma's and Aécio's campaing of using money from illegal donations. I agree with these parties, although you may say I am not being impartial because I voted on their candidates, and there is a considerable part of the population that support this idea. I really want to have new elections for both executive and legislative this year, but it seems unlikely, if we have I think it will be only for president.



phelipefabres said:
It's just a way of the people that was defeated in the last election to get the control of the country again. In Brazil, they stopped the country so the people started to lose jobs, the inflaction is goin up and all these men that you cited above are beneficiary of something. So, it's a coup

I'm brazilian and a I second this.

 

But let's look at the facts.

 

1) Michel Temer, was the Vice-President from Dilma Rousseff's campaign. Meaning they were both together. (WHY? See item list #4)

2) Michel Temers party, the PMDB, is the biggest political party in Brazil, having elected 7 out of 27 governors and more than 1k mayors in 5k cities. It might not be huge, but consider this is just but one political party, and there are 35 in Brazil at the moment.

3) PMDB is the "democratic" name of the old MDB party, which was leading the charge against Brazils dictatorship. This is a good thing, right? Well, it was supposed to be. Except that the MDB incorporated almost all extreme-right-wing politics that were in power from Brazil's dictatorship. Hence why the party is recognized as the "slut" party. Because it takes everyone, from left to extreme-right. FYI, Harvard Law and Economics Professor, Roberto Mangabeira Unger, former one of Lula's minister and professor of Obama in college, is a PMDB affiliate.

4) That is exactly why Temer was Dilma's Vice. She had the planning, he had the strength to make it work, since almost 70 congressmen(out of 513) are from PMDB, this is a way to pass any bills or regulation. It was a solid plan, right? No. (WHY? See item #9)

5) Many old presidents used PMDB as a second force, so Rousseffs plan was already known.

6) Temer was the PMDBs national president, now it's Romero Jucá, one of his ministers.

7) PMDB is the most corrupt party in Brazil, as stated by the TSE, which is the organ that organizes elections and come up with statistics from elections. PMDB had the biggest number of politics investigated and involved in scandals from 2003 to 2012(last census).

8) Last 4 elections came down to PT vs. PSDB. The PSDB is the second biggest party in Brazil and it was built upon the PMDB. Some politicians did not like what PMDB had become and started the PSDB, and that turned out very well for them. PSDB is the most influential party in Brazil as most of Brazils media giants are affiliated in this party. For example, Luciano Huck, one of biggest entertaining names in Brazils television is a PSDB affiliate.

9) PT is a secular center-left party and PMDB is a christian "center-all-around" party with almost 60% of its core being extreme right-wingers. (PMDB stats from Party's official website(pmdb..org..br))

10) PMDB holds control over most poltical parties since it's the most powerful one (PP, PPS, PRB, PTC, PSC, PRTB, DEM, just to name a few). So normally, when PMDB decides something, all of those follows.

I could go on to write 50 more facts, but I won't. I'll cut it down now.

It's a coup.

PSDB lost 4 elections straight and PSDB and PMDB are like family. A very stupid and aggressive family. PT is also a very stupid party, but PT made those awful alliances because they needed to, not because they wanted. PSDB did them outside elections, because they wanted it. They could have easily said "no".

Dilma is accused of a responsability crime regarding the states budget. And yes she did it, and so did 11 governors just like her and even worse. However, this is not a crime in Brazil. An impeachment in Brazil must be backed up by a responsability crime, which Rousseff did not commit according to Brazil laws. So why is she being thrown out of office? Because opposition can't seem to find a way to regain the presidency with normal elections. So they say she's corrupt.

She probably is, she's been mentioned time and time again in corruption scandals, nothing has been proved, but her name is there all over the place, however Temer has already been mentioned, accused, trialed and found guilty of many corruption scandals. Some of his ministers too!

The guy who lead the charge against Rousseff in congress, Eduardo Cunha? Guilty of many charges of corruption. Waldir Maranhão? Guilty too. Renan Calheiros? Another one that breathes corruption.

Makes no sense to me to say corruption is destroying the country and then put an even more corrupt government in there. One that nobody voted in, and one that according to survey from last week, and as Gleen Greenwald posts in his article @ The Intercept and I quote: "Only 1% would vote for Temer if he had ran for president". There are absolutely no excuses to this. Well, there is one: because opposition want to. It's not a valid one and it violates the democractic state, but its certainly an excuse.

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What's the biggest problem? What lead to this happening?

IMHO, religion.

Brazil is a TOP 5 most religious country in the world, with more than 90% of the population considering themselves as religious and of those 90%, 75% are christians. 40% are catholic while 30% are protestants and rapidly growing.(Stats from the religious census 2011)

Christians in Brazil have their own political party(PSC) and have so much influence in politics in general. When Temer took over the presidency, he had a Protestant Preacher to pray with him. This is against Brazils constitutional law, as it says clearly that Brazil is a secular state.

This is so big that 60% of congressman are religious and 80% of senators. This gets even bigger when you realise that in Brazil, a preacher describes himself as an enterpreneur. This is what I like to call "selling faith as business".

There are bishops in the senate(Bispo Marcelo Crivela), preachers running for presidency(Pastor Everaldo) and people in Brazil support this.

However, being such a conservative society takes its toll when you want to a free society. Churches in Brazil pay no taxes, grows by the hour and most preacher, fathers, go on to advertise politics in mass or whatever it is the name of the protestant cerimony. This is real, this is not some religious-fiction novel.

Most of politicians in Brazil are extreme-right, or conservatives, because of this. They are corrupt, so they need votes, they buy votes giving money to a church, the church talks that politician up as a "politician of good morals and values and a believer in God" and people vote for that guy. The guy gets elected and the chain of suffering, as I like to call it, is all over again.

From the 35 political partys in Brazil, 28 are religious based, meaning they consider religion as the most important subject in society.

Brazils preachers use Twitter, Facebook and whatmore to influence millions of protestants to vote and or to do something. For instance, the very first homossexual kiss in Brazils TV happened in 2014 if I remember correctly. I've been watching gay kisses since 1994 on Friends, come on! The soap opera that did the homossexual kiss also got down ratings in views and there were protests against it on the streets.

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EDIT: For the non-Brazilian, I'll just leave some non-brazilian coverage of what's happening. Of course, some of these videos can look a bit biased so take it with a grain of salt. Its still better than to watch Brazilian videos that are totally biased, wether from the right or left-wing politicians.

Democracy Now - https://youtu.be/N1csqcTvU9Y (On the situation)

The Young Turkshttps://youtu.be/GZ2cOLXByq8 (On the situation)

RThttps://youtu.be/iX28UR7Y9QM (on Temer and the WikiLeaks info)

CNN https://youtu.be/FMb9TLyCgU8 (TV Globo, Brazil's biggest media, banned this video from regular TV, can only be accessed through internet)



Strato said:
Nautilus said:
Its a rather complicated situation.If you dont follow the story from the beginning and dont have some backstory in the situation on the country, its easy to get lost.Ill try to explain as best as I can, but its better if someone else who has a better understanding of the situation than me comes to explain it better.

The impeachment is happening now because evidences have been found of the president(Dilma Vana Rouseff) involvement in mismanagement of her dutys.I dont know the full extension of the charges, but the main charge against her is for the "pedaladas fiscais", which is considered a crime in the country.And even though there has also been found evidences of corruption, it is not within the charge itself because they were found later, after the first charges were brought.

What are "pedaladas fiscais"?Well, to put in simpler terms, are when the government try to hide its expenses from appearing, by not showing how much they spent to the banks and to the country.Since im not economist, Im not the best one to explain this,since even I dont understand it fully but ill try.Lets say the government spend 1000 dollars with expenses in January.That money needs to be passed along to the banks, either public or private.But in an attempt to make the government look better in the market and have better economic indicators, they withhold the money and just send, for example, 100 dollars to the bank, even though they spend 1000 dollars.This way, since the money never left the federal government, the expenses never show in the end, making the brazillian economy look better than it should.In simpler terms, its a way to disguise the actual economic scenario of the country.

Michel Temer is the vice president of the country(now president for at least 6 months), Renan Calheiros is the president of the brazillian senate and the Waldir is an deputy that got his 15 minutes of fame when he tried to cancel the impeachment and failed miserably.Since they are all politicians, they all have an part on the impeachment for obvious reasons.If you want to know more than that, you would need to know more about the politics in Brazil.

As to where this is heading, nobody truly knows.Again, if you want a better insight into this, you really need to study the background of the country and all the years of history that lead into this.There are others things in play, such as the deep corruption of the political system,and the hate people from Brazil(in general) feel towards the political party of Dilma, since it is atributed to them many of the disgraces that they have now on the country, due to several reasons that spans many years and even I dont fully know all of them.Its a complicated mess.

A really good explanation and the core of problem.

Also, Rousseff has committed several crimes as obstruction of justice, electoral fraud, administrative dishonesty and etc...really complex

No, she did not. She has been accused. Nothing has been proved. This is not the Soviet Union, people are not guilty until proof is provided.



taikamya said:
Strato said:

A really good explanation and the core of problem.

Also, Rousseff has committed several crimes as obstruction of justice, electoral fraud, administrative dishonesty and etc...really complex

No, she did not. She has been accused. Nothing has been proved. This is not the Soviet Union, people are not guilty until proof is provided.

We are not far away from that if you look at the Supreme Court