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Thunderbird77 on 20 January 2016
Miyamotoo said:
Thunderbird77 said:
Miyamotoo said:

No it wasn't because of controls, it was beacuse sales of game and great launch game for Wii. Zelda U curently is a Wii U game but if they ported to NX for launch it will also NX game same like TP is also Wii game.

Why they would promote game from previous system that failed hard and that is dying and that is basically at end of life, when they have completely new platform that needs to be promoted hard, they will port that game and made it launch title for that new system (basicly maide it NX game) and promote it like totally new game for totally new platform. What do you think, what variant of those two will sell much more copies of game and what variant will have much stronger impact on NX launch!? Answer is pretty obvious, Its common business sense.

Again, we don't know if NX will have BC at all, and if will have BC we don't know if it will need Wii U controller in order to play it, but you are pretty certain about that. Even NX has BC (I will say chances are around 50% for BC) in some way I am pretty sure Nintendo will port Zelda U and make it NX launch title.

TP is a gamecube game. Zelda U is a wii u game, no porting will change that. If nintendo wants the game to push the next hardware, they can do so with marketing.

Technically is GameCube game, but reality is that was launched even earlier on Wii than on GC, that GC version of game and GC itself were practically dead after launch of Wii and Wii version of a game while Wii version of game was selling entire life of Wii. Thats why we have around 7m copies of game sold on Wii and around only 1m sold on GC. Because of that majority see TP like Wii game not GC.

 

"If nintendo wants the game to push the next hardware, they can do so with marketing."

You definitely didn't read what I wrote:

Why they would promote game from previous system that failed hard and that is dying and that is basically at end of life, when they have completely new platform that needs to be promoted hard, they will port that game and made it launch title for that new system (basicly maide it NX game) and promote it like totally new game for totally new platform. What do you think, what variant of those two will sell much more copies of game and what variant will have much stronger impact on NX launch!? Answer is pretty obvious, Its common business sense.

Again, we don't know if NX will have BC at all, and if will have BC we don't know if it will need Wii U controller in order to play it, but you are pretty certain about that. Even NX has BC (I will say chances are around 50% for BC) in some way I am pretty sure Nintendo will port Zelda U and make it NX launch title.

Nope. Not only they never had a system that failed hard besides virtual boy, porting a game won't change it's "from the failed console". without compatibility issues they can just market thje game a lot and tell people: available on wii u and it's successor (and it's not  like Zelda is an unknown franchise that most people won't be aware of the platforms already).





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Shiken on 20 January 2016
MikeRox said:
Shiken said:
MikeRox said:

 


I'm a bit confused.

Mega Drive launched way before the SNES.

 

Dreamcast launched a year before the PS2, but then PS2 launched a year before both Xbox and GameCube, so that gen was staggered over 3 years. What made the PS2 the right time for that gen?

 

Xbox 360 launched a year before the Wii and PS3.

 

I dont think "mid gen" has ever really been a thing. Releases have always been separate. How long is a gen? The PS1 and Saturn were hitting shelves this year at this stage in the SNES's life (compared with when Wii U hit the market). The 3DO and such were already on the market.

 


Realeasing a year before is not mid gen.  Releasing a console barely more powerful than the competition's tech just 3 years into their life cycle just to be vastly outdone by the following gen a few years later is.  See the WiiU.  Slightly more powerful than the 360, nowhere near PS4 ir X1.  Look at OG XBox.  Arrived late, very small power advantage, and was forced to end support early to get the jump on the next gen.

As for the PS2, one year out of the 10 year life cycle is not in the middle.  It is simple math to see where your examples are irrelevant.  Furthermore timing was not the reason for the PS2s success.  It was overwhelming 3rd party support to where it had such a large amount of games not available anywhere else at the time that did it for them.  Nintendo has shit 3rd party support, so this senario is not even an option for them.

 

Dreamcast launched 1 year before the competition if you are counting the PS2, which was the undisputed winner. You cited the Dreamcast and Xbox as the failures of that gen.  But the Xbox outsold the Gamecube. So timing was clearly irrelevant in that gen.

If you're going to bring 3rd party into it. The Mega Drive/Genesis initially didn't have  a strong 3rd party, as they were still all tied into Nintendo's "you make a NES game you can't make a game for anything else" contract. Sonic the Hedgehog was the key proponent of sales and that was around the time the competition released.

Also nobody knew the PS2 would have a 10 year lifecycle when it launched. It only had 5 years on the market before the Xbox 360 launched and the PS1 had only been on the market 5-6 years before that so "10 year lifecycle" wasn't even a thing. That was a term introduced to help the PS3 shift hardware and confirm to the audience Sony weren't dropping it in 6 months to make a PS4 after the launch issues.

You seem to be starting with your conclusion, and then cherry picking examples to support what you already thought.

 


Is that not the VGChartz way?  ;)



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PerturbedKitty on 20 January 2016
Shiken said:
PerturbedKitty said:

lol totally. something isnt adding up in shiken's post here. it makes absolutely no sense.

 

Hows this for making sense.

 

The WiiU just sucks...

 

Really though the WiiU was a bad choice of example on my part.  My point on mid gen releases remain the same though.  My issue with the WiiU and Nintendo in general is that they are literally always a gen behind in tech for consoles since the GC, and have pretty much said that will not change.  Maybe thats why I feel so compelled to call it mid gen when it isn't.

lol first of all, consider yourself lucky that you have the luxury of throwing around statements like this, because if i were allowed to so bluntly say what i think about the PS4, well... bye bye perturbedkitty forever.

secondly, you just admitted that what you said makes absolutely no sense by acknowledging that the wii u was a bad example. it wasnt a mid-gen release lol, thank you for admitting that. you know, not a lot of users know how to admit that they're wrong about something, so good on you.  

sigh.. as for your lackluster point about nintendo being a generation behind.. by what metric are you making that determination? the way i see it, the ps4 and x1 are a generation behind. lets be honest here, the ps4 and xbox 1 are basically a ps3 and 360, just a little bit beefier. how is that pushing the bar in any way? any game that comes out for those consoles can be done on their previous hardware, just at a lower framerate. those systems havent done anything to evolve gaming in any substantial way. at least on the wii u, you have some nice games that utilize the gamepad and it provides us a glimpse of what could have been. there are games that are just not the same unless you use the wii u gamepad. at least there is an attempt at pushing the envelope. the ps4 and x1 are a generation behind. the wii u is objectively better. sorry if you dont like it lol. 





Miyamotoo on 21 January 2016
Thunderbird77 said:
Miyamotoo said:
Thunderbird77 said:
Miyamotoo said:

No it wasn't because of controls, it was beacuse sales of game and great launch game for Wii. Zelda U curently is a Wii U game but if they ported to NX for launch it will also NX game same like TP is also Wii game.

Why they would promote game from previous system that failed hard and that is dying and that is basically at end of life, when they have completely new platform that needs to be promoted hard, they will port that game and made it launch title for that new system (basicly maide it NX game) and promote it like totally new game for totally new platform. What do you think, what variant of those two will sell much more copies of game and what variant will have much stronger impact on NX launch!? Answer is pretty obvious, Its common business sense.

Again, we don't know if NX will have BC at all, and if will have BC we don't know if it will need Wii U controller in order to play it, but you are pretty certain about that. Even NX has BC (I will say chances are around 50% for BC) in some way I am pretty sure Nintendo will port Zelda U and make it NX launch title.

TP is a gamecube game. Zelda U is a wii u game, no porting will change that. If nintendo wants the game to push the next hardware, they can do so with marketing.

Technically is GameCube game, but reality is that was launched even earlier on Wii than on GC, that GC version of game and GC itself were practically dead after launch of Wii and Wii version of a game while Wii version of game was selling entire life of Wii. Thats why we have around 7m copies of game sold on Wii and around only 1m sold on GC. Because of that majority see TP like Wii game not GC.

 

"If nintendo wants the game to push the next hardware, they can do so with marketing."

You definitely didn't read what I wrote:

Why they would promote game from previous system that failed hard and that is dying and that is basically at end of life, when they have completely new platform that needs to be promoted hard, they will port that game and made it launch title for that new system (basicly maide it NX game) and promote it like totally new game for totally new platform. What do you think, what variant of those two will sell much more copies of game and what variant will have much stronger impact on NX launch!? Answer is pretty obvious, Its common business sense.

Again, we don't know if NX will have BC at all, and if will have BC we don't know if it will need Wii U controller in order to play it, but you are pretty certain about that. Even NX has BC (I will say chances are around 50% for BC) in some way I am pretty sure Nintendo will port Zelda U and make it NX launch title.

Nope. Not only they never had a system that failed hard besides virtual boy, porting a game won't change it's "from the failed console". without compatibility issues they can just market thje game a lot and tell people: available on wii u and it's successor (and it's not  like Zelda is an unknown franchise that most people won't be aware of the platforms already).

I talking about better effects for new console and better sales, and making it like launch title and marketing like new NX launch game would be definitely had much better effect on launch of console and sales of a game than just leave it on Wii U, but you can keep denied that.



Thunderbird77 on 21 January 2016
Miyamotoo said:
Thunderbird77 said:
Miyamotoo said:

Technically is GameCube game, but reality is that was launched even earlier on Wii than on GC, that GC version of game and GC itself were practically dead after launch of Wii and Wii version of a game while Wii version of game was selling entire life of Wii. Thats why we have around 7m copies of game sold on Wii and around only 1m sold on GC. Because of that majority see TP like Wii game not GC.

 

"If nintendo wants the game to push the next hardware, they can do so with marketing."

You definitely didn't read what I wrote:

Why they would promote game from previous system that failed hard and that is dying and that is basically at end of life, when they have completely new platform that needs to be promoted hard, they will port that game and made it launch title for that new system (basicly maide it NX game) and promote it like totally new game for totally new platform. What do you think, what variant of those two will sell much more copies of game and what variant will have much stronger impact on NX launch!? Answer is pretty obvious, Its common business sense.

Again, we don't know if NX will have BC at all, and if will have BC we don't know if it will need Wii U controller in order to play it, but you are pretty certain about that. Even NX has BC (I will say chances are around 50% for BC) in some way I am pretty sure Nintendo will port Zelda U and make it NX launch title.

Nope. Not only they never had a system that failed hard besides virtual boy, porting a game won't change it's "from the failed console". without compatibility issues they can just market thje game a lot and tell people: available on wii u and it's successor (and it's not  like Zelda is an unknown franchise that most people won't be aware of the platforms already).

I talking about better effects for new console and better sales, and making it like launch title and marketing like new NX launch game would be definitely had much better effect on launch of console and sales of a game than just leave it on Wii U, but you can keep denied that.

Or everyone will know wich platform the game was developed for and no port at all will have the same effect as porting.





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Conina on 21 January 2016

Thunderbird77 said:
 

Or everyone will know wich platform the game was developed for and no port at all will have the same effect as porting.

 

"Everyone will know" that the WiiU version is compatible to the NX-console. Yeah, because all potential customers are so superinformed about compatibility, device differences, device commonalities and so on. And Nindendo's PR department is also very great about ining these things... f.e. that the WiiU ain't an add-on for the Wii or why some Wiis can play GameCube games and others can't.

It's also a different perception for the customers, if they buy a native version for their new system (which can theoretically profit from hardware/software enhancements) or if they buy a compatible "old system"-game.

And how do you know that the NX version would be a simple port of the WiiU version? If the cross-gen decision has fallen early in development, the NX version could even be the lead platform for the development.



Miyamotoo on 21 January 2016
Thunderbird77 said:
Miyamotoo said:
Thunderbird77 said:
Miyamotoo said:

Technically is GameCube game, but reality is that was launched even earlier on Wii than on GC, that GC version of game and GC itself were practically dead after launch of Wii and Wii version of a game while Wii version of game was selling entire life of Wii. Thats why we have around 7m copies of game sold on Wii and around only 1m sold on GC. Because of that majority see TP like Wii game not GC.

 

"If nintendo wants the game to push the next hardware, they can do so with marketing."

You definitely didn't read what I wrote:

Why they would promote game from previous system that failed hard and that is dying and that is basically at end of life, when they have completely new platform that needs to be promoted hard, they will port that game and made it launch title for that new system (basicly maide it NX game) and promote it like totally new game for totally new platform. What do you think, what variant of those two will sell much more copies of game and what variant will have much stronger impact on NX launch!? Answer is pretty obvious, Its common business sense.

Again, we don't know if NX will have BC at all, and if will have BC we don't know if it will need Wii U controller in order to play it, but you are pretty certain about that. Even NX has BC (I will say chances are around 50% for BC) in some way I am pretty sure Nintendo will port Zelda U and make it NX launch title.

Nope. Not only they never had a system that failed hard besides virtual boy, porting a game won't change it's "from the failed console". without compatibility issues they can just market thje game a lot and tell people: available on wii u and it's successor (and it's not  like Zelda is an unknown franchise that most people won't be aware of the platforms already).

I talking about better effects for new console and better sales, and making it like launch title and marketing like new NX launch game would be definitely had much better effect on launch of console and sales of a game than just leave it on Wii U, but you can keep denied that.

Or everyone will know wich platform the game was developed for and no port at all will have the same effect as porting.

Nobody cares on which platform game is developed, eespecially if game is treated like completely new game for NX and not like a port game that already exist. Same like TP for Wii.

Game is only technically port, but in every other sense it will be completely new game launched at same time on NX and Wii U. Also same like TP for Wii.

 

Again, I talking about better effects for new console and better sales, and making it like launch title and marketing like new NX launch game would be definitely had much better effect on launch of console and sales of a game than just leave it on Wii U that will basicly dead after launch of Zelda U, but you can keep denied that.



Thunderbird77 on 21 January 2016
Conina said:

Thunderbird77 said:
 

 

"Everyone will know" that the WiiU version is compatible to the NX-console. Yeah, because all potential customers are so superinformed about compatibility, device differences, device commonalities and so on. And Nindendo's PR department is also very great about ining these things... f.e. that the WiiU ain't an add-on for the Wii or why some Wiis can play GameCube games and others can't.

It's also a different perception for the customers, if they buy a native version for their new system (which can theoretically profit from hardware/software enhancements) or if they buy a compatible "old system"-game.

And how do you know that the NX version would be a simple port of the WiiU version? If the cross-gen decision has fallen early in development, the NX version could even be the lead platform for the development.

Becuase nintendo can easily tell that to the few people that don't know.

Don't make me laugh about wii u not being the lead platform for this game.





Thunderbird77 on 21 January 2016
Miyamotoo said:
Thunderbird77 said:
Miyamotoo said:

I talking about better effects for new console and better sales, and making it like launch title and marketing like new NX launch game would be definitely had much better effect on launch of console and sales of a game than just leave it on Wii U, but you can keep denied that.

Or everyone will know wich platform the game was developed for and no port at all will have the same effect as porting.

Nobody cares on which platform game is developed, eespecially if game is treated like completely new game for NX and not like a port game that already exist. Same like TP for Wii.

Game is only technically port, but in every other sense it will be completely new game launched at same time on NX and Wii U. Also same like TP for Wii.

 

Again, I talking about better effects for new console and better sales, and making it like launch title and marketing like new NX launch game would be definitely had much better effect on launch of console and sales of a game than just leave it on Wii U that will basicly dead after launch of Zelda U, but you can keep denied that.

Would have no added effect for such a huge franchise.





Miyamotoo on 21 January 2016
Thunderbird77 said:
Miyamotoo said:
Thunderbird77 said:
Miyamotoo said:

I talking about better effects for new console and better sales, and making it like launch title and marketing like new NX launch game would be definitely had much better effect on launch of console and sales of a game than just leave it on Wii U, but you can keep denied that.

Or everyone will know wich platform the game was developed for and no port at all will have the same effect as porting.

Nobody cares on which platform game is developed, eespecially if game is treated like completely new game for NX and not like a port game that already exist. Same like TP for Wii.

Game is only technically port, but in every other sense it will be completely new game launched at same time on NX and Wii U. Also same like TP for Wii.

 

Again, I talking about better effects for new console and better sales, and making it like launch title and marketing like new NX launch game would be definitely had much better effect on launch of console and sales of a game than just leave it on Wii U that will basicly dead after launch of Zelda U, but you can keep denied that.

Would have no added effect for such a huge franchise.

Basically what are you saying is that Zelda U would have same sales if its released on Wii U only and if it's released on Wii U and NX like launch title, and that will not have effect at all on NX launch like launch title!? You really don't know what you're talking about, it make no sense at all.