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mai said:
mai said:

Ba-a-a-ackpedaling everyone.

Rusya makamlarına da olayın ayrıntıları konusunda bilgi verdik. Bizim Rusya ile siyasi ekonomik kültürel bağlarımız son derece güçlüdür. Rusya Federasyonu ile ipleri germek gerilim yaşamak gibi bir niyetimiz yoktur Rusya bizim dostumuzdur. Büyük devletler arasındaki ilişkiler iletişim kazalarına feda edilemez.

http://www.cnnturk.com/spor/futbol/fenerbahceyi-norvecte-bekleyen-buyuk-problem?page=1

My Turkish is a little rusty, but I take it as Turkish way to say "we're sorry"?

Turkish prime minister today told that 'he was the one who made the order on shooting Russian jet'. Trying to get Erdogan out of responsibility?



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Sharu said:
mai said:

Rusya makamlarına da olayın ayrıntıları konusunda bilgi verdik. Bizim Rusya ile siyasi ekonomik kültürel bağlarımız son derece güçlüdür. Rusya Federasyonu ile ipleri germek gerilim yaşamak gibi bir niyetimiz yoktur Rusya bizim dostumuzdur. Büyük devletler arasındaki ilişkiler iletişim kazalarına feda edilemez.

http://www.cnnturk.com/spor/futbol/fenerbahceyi-norvecte-bekleyen-buyuk-problem?page=1

My Turkish is a little rusty, but I take it as Turkish way to say "we're sorry"?

Turkish prime minister today told that 'he was the one who made the order on shooting Russian jet'. Trying to get Erdogan out of responsibility?

Turkish president position implies supreme military command role, thus he assumes responsiblity for the actions of subordinates. If his people act on their own, that's his problem and responsibility. Besides I'm not sure what weight PM have in Turkish army, if we go by our PM role that's none, so army taking orders from PM is nonsence.



Interview of rescued Su-24M navigator:

- We flew at 6000 m altitude, fair weather conditions.
- Our flight up until explosion was fully under my control.
- I was fully aware of the border and our position be it on the map or ref.points on the ground.
- There was no slightest chance we'd have entered Turkish airspace.

- Question: Tuskish side claims you've been warned multiple times during your flight. Your story?
- Reply: We received no warnings nor via radio channel, nor visually, no contact at all. So I routinely set our flight course. You should understand the difference between the speeds of fighter and bomber jets, if they absolutely wanted to send a warning they could have showed themselves by setting a parallel course. There was nothing. Missile hit us from behind, caught us by surprise, we didn't see it coming, no visual contact, didn't have a chance for an anti-missile maneuver.

- Question: Are you on medical treatment right now? What's your plans?
- Reply: Eagerly awaiting my return to combat missions, to repay my 'debt' for commander.



Let me just drop this here:



routsounmanman said:

Let me just drop this here:

The Greeks have every right to shoot down those turkish airforce planes, in no rights they are allowed in that airspace. I would like the Greeks to shoot one out of the sky.



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nanorazor said:
Can someone tell me why Russians are bombing civilians? if they weren't the FSA wouldn't be attacking Russian troops.

Colletoral damage bad excuse but we really don't want to know how many civilians/innocents are killed by US/French(Europe) attacks on IS.

Kurds in the region are angry with us because we basically are friends with Turkey while we know they attacked Kurds rebels/innocents.
Large number of Middle Easters countries especially Egyptian media are angry with us because they blame us for Creating IS.
Syrian Rebels are angry with us because we do nothing against Assad and only attack IS and I am pretty sure if that pilot was French/US army they would have shot him down aswell.

Also we know that so many Saudi's are funding IS and tomorow their can be annother terrorist attack from IS in Europe or US and what will the presidents/leaders do?

They just will have an official visit to Saudi Arabia and shake their hands with a smile:







GamechaserBE said:
nanorazor said:
Can someone tell me why Russians are bombing civilians? if they weren't the FSA wouldn't be attacking Russian troops.

Colletoral damage bad excuse but we really don't want to know how many civilians/innocents are killed by US/French(Europe) attacks on IS.

Kurds in the region are angry with us because we basically are friends with Turkey while we know they attacked Kurds rebels/innocents.
Large number of Middle Easters countries especially Egyptian media are angry with us because they blame us for Creating IS.
Syrian Rebels are angry with us because we do nothing against Assad and only attack IS and I am pretty sure if that pilot was French/US army they would have shot him down aswell.

Also we know that so many Saudi's are funding IS and tomorow their can be annother terrorist attack from IS in Europe or US and what will the presidents/leaders do?

They just will have an official visit to Saudi Arabia and shake their hands with a smile:






Lots of civilians got killed during Afghanistan war by US, lots of Collateral damage.  The News claims that Russia is striking ISIS with Navy missiles and sending bombing runs on highly populated area. Both Russia and US are pretty guilty from the casualities made, but whoe really cares if we are killing ISIS right?



Sanctions (so basically imports is two-headed giant: natural gas and tourism, here goes tourism + some other sanctions).

+ Smth that wasn't televised in recent days:

- North Latakia (the very place of the incident) shelled and captured, that includes pro-Turk turkmen groups and Grey Wolves (Turkish neo-fascists) militants in the region.
- The leader of 1st Coastal division is killed, supposedly involved in the attack on Su-24M pilots, again supposedely affilated with Qatar and Turkey.
- Currently the city of Azaz (Turkish logistic point) is the one of the main point of interest for RuAF.

+ And, of course, the deployment of S-400 as means of retaliation.



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