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Zekkyou on 15 November 2015
Dulfite said:

Ok, again not speaking from my own perspective but rather identifying other perspectives, but I seriously doubt the world would be mad at Russia if they nuked ISIS. I can't tell you how many times I've heard people I know say "we should all just nuke the muslism and wipe them out since they just want to kill each other and the rest of us." I hear people saying this over and over again because of their attacks. Again, I don't agree with that mentality as a Christian (I'd rather people live to hopefully turn their lives to Christ), but it is one I see and hear a lot from people. This leads me to believe that if Russia did nuke ISIS, most (imo) would not complain because it's what a lot/the majority of people in the "developed world" would want in the first place, but are too moderate to suggest it.

The people in that region already hate the rest of us. Even if developed nations didn't do anything in their countries to tick them off, the islamic religion calls us all infidels. Muhammad marched and slaughtered his enemies and possibly raped people, whose the founding pillar of their religion. That isn't peaceful sounding at all. I don't want muslims to die (I want them to live and believe in Jesus), but a lot of people probably think our lives would be better off without people that are brainwashed by groups like ISIS, Al Queda, El Shabob (I don't care if I spell it incorrectly as they don't deserve to have my concern on spelling) and islamic theocracatic nations to hate and kill us.

I'm confident that if the islamic extremist could use a nuke, they would, without a doubt.

I don't think you quite understand what nuclear weapons represent. If the world wouldn't care about potentially hundreds of thousands of innocent people being massacred in an instant by nuclear weapons, we wouldn't have spent 70 years avoiding their use. 

There have been dozens of points over that time where their use would have been far more justified than now (and indeed there were a few close calls during the cold war), yet those 1st two 70 years ago were the last 2. Heck, despite it happening before most of us were even born, and it generally being considered justified, the US's nuking of Japan is still commonly considered a tragedy. Why? Because regardless to what hateful things people might spout in anger or ignorance, few want to live in a world where the death of thousands is considered fine and dandy.

Anyway, i'm going to take my leave at this point. I've said pretty much everything i have the energy to say. I'm really not fond of political threads.



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Dulfite on 15 November 2015
gamingpotato7 said:
Dulfite said:
Zekkyou said:
Dulfite said:
Zekkyou said:
Never going to happen. Absolutely no developed nation wants to set a post-WW2 precedent for the aggressive use of nukes. Even ignoring that though, it would just make the situation worse. A lot of ISIS's propaganda revolves around painting the rest of the world as evil, and a nuke (and all the innocent deaths it would likely entail) would be a very effective way of convincing people in the region that they're right.


Russia isn't and doesn't consider itself Western. It doesn't focus on global ramifcations or perception. It marches to the beat of its own drum like it has for hundreds of years and like the people that have lived in that area for thousands of years. They were hit, now they want to hit back hard. I'd be stunned if Putin was even thinking about or concerned with how a response like this will impact the muslisms perception of the west. I doubt they care.

I never mentioned the west, i said developed. And of course Russia cares. Their relationship with other developed nations might be somewhat strained (and they have a tendency to see how far they can push the rules, as with China), but they are fully aware of the economic strain the rest of the world is capable of putting on any country that's dependent on the global economy (which Russia is). There are few things that would actually get the world to do something like that, because the rest of the world doesn't want to make a true enemy of Russia anymore than Russia does everyone else, but the aggressive use of a nuke would all but guarantee such a response.

And of course they care about how the people of the affected region would view them. What's the point in 'hitting hard' if all you accomplish is making your enemy stronger, and pissing off the entire world. Russia might like to see how far it can push the rules, but they aren't stupid.

Outside of ISIS acquiring and using nukes themselves (or something equally deadly/dramatic), the world will never be scared or angry enough to allow the use of nukes by a developed country without significant ramifications, both internally and externally. Quite rightly so.


Ok, again not speaking from my own perspective but rather identifying other perspectives, but I seriously doubt the world would be mad at Russia if they nuked ISIS. I can't tell you how many times I've heard people I know say "we should all just nuke the muslism and wipe them out since they just want to kill each other and the rest of us." I hear people saying this over and over again because of their attacks. Again, I don't agree with that mentality as a Christian (I'd rather people live to hopefully turn their lives to Christ), but it is one I see and hear a lot from people. This leads me to believe that if Russia did nuke ISIS, most (imo) would not complain because it's what a lot/the majority of people in the "developed world" would want in the first place, but are too moderate to suggest it.

The people in that region already hate the rest of us. Even if developed nations didn't do anything in their countries to tick them off, the islamic religion calls us all infidels. Muhammad marched and slaughtered his enemies and possibly raped people, whose the founding pillar of their religion. That isn't peaceful sounding at all. I don't want muslims to die (I want them to live and believe in Jesus), but a lot of people probably think our lives would be better off without people that are brainwashed by groups like ISIS, Al Queda, El Shabob (I don't care if I spell it incorrectly as they don't deserve to have my concern on spelling) and islamic theocracatic nations to hate and kill us.

I'm confident that if the islamic extremist could use a nuke, they would, without a doubt.

You sound like an extremist.


That's a pretty intense assessment for someone without giving any reasoning behind it? Again, I don't want to nuke them or anyone and I don't desire war or killing of any kind. I'm just speaking about what I'm seeing and hearing from people in general.



Dulfite on 15 November 2015
Zekkyou said:
Dulfite said:

Ok, again not speaking from my own perspective but rather identifying other perspectives, but I seriously doubt the world would be mad at Russia if they nuked ISIS. I can't tell you how many times I've heard people I know say "we should all just nuke the muslism and wipe them out since they just want to kill each other and the rest of us." I hear people saying this over and over again because of their attacks. Again, I don't agree with that mentality as a Christian (I'd rather people live to hopefully turn their lives to Christ), but it is one I see and hear a lot from people. This leads me to believe that if Russia did nuke ISIS, most (imo) would not complain because it's what a lot/the majority of people in the "developed world" would want in the first place, but are too moderate to suggest it.

The people in that region already hate the rest of us. Even if developed nations didn't do anything in their countries to tick them off, the islamic religion calls us all infidels. Muhammad marched and slaughtered his enemies and possibly raped people, whose the founding pillar of their religion. That isn't peaceful sounding at all. I don't want muslims to die (I want them to live and believe in Jesus), but a lot of people probably think our lives would be better off without people that are brainwashed by groups like ISIS, Al Queda, El Shabob (I don't care if I spell it incorrectly as they don't deserve to have my concern on spelling) and islamic theocracatic nations to hate and kill us.

I'm confident that if the islamic extremist could use a nuke, they would, without a doubt.

I don't think you quite understand what nuclear weapons represent. If the world wouldn't care about potentially hundreds of thousands of innocent people being massacred in an instant by nuclear weapons, we wouldn't have spent 70 years avoiding their use. 

There have been dozens of points over that time where their use would have been far more justified than now (and indeed there were a few close calls during the cold war), yet those 1st two 70 years ago were the last 2. Heck, despite it happening before most of us were even born, and it generally being considered justified, the US's nuking of Japan is still commonly considered a tragedy. Why? Because regardless to what hateful things people might spout in anger or ignorance, few want to live in a world where the death of thousands is considered fine and dandy.

Anyway, i'm going to take my leave at this point. I've said pretty much everything i have the energy to say. I'm really not fond of political threads.


1) As someone else mentioned, not all nukes are massive (some can be used for just miles, not dozens of miles, and you don't have to make them radioactive.

2) Developed countries don't use nukes on each other because it would cause a massive retaliation and change the entire globe in a really bad way. It's not like if Russia nukes ISIS that ISIS will be able to nuke them back, so that isn't really a fear here.



Goodnightmoon on 15 November 2015
Nem said:
melbye said:
Not really a good idea, if they did that chances are that every ISIS-cell in Europe and the US would retaliate,


For that they would come out of hiding and be easier to intercept.

Really, i don't see why not. There will be casuslties, but at least the issue gets finally solved. Also, it sends a powerful message.

Come on man, you don't see why not? the entire world fearing a nuclear war all over again, yay? and that message is gold: I we don't like you, we nuke your country even if most of people that will die from the explosion and the radiation are not our target and the fallout can destroy the environment and make that place impossible to live for decades. Because ma dick says so.

Nothing justifies a nuke. Thanks God this source is bullshit because when I read the title of the thread I freaked out.



o_O.Q on 15 November 2015
Zekkyou said:
Dulfite said:

Ok, again not speaking from my own perspective but rather identifying other perspectives, but I seriously doubt the world would be mad at Russia if they nuked ISIS. I can't tell you how many times I've heard people I know say "we should all just nuke the muslism and wipe them out since they just want to kill each other and the rest of us." I hear people saying this over and over again because of their attacks. Again, I don't agree with that mentality as a Christian (I'd rather people live to hopefully turn their lives to Christ), but it is one I see and hear a lot from people. This leads me to believe that if Russia did nuke ISIS, most (imo) would not complain because it's what a lot/the majority of people in the "developed world" would want in the first place, but are too moderate to suggest it.

The people in that region already hate the rest of us. Even if developed nations didn't do anything in their countries to tick them off, the islamic religion calls us all infidels. Muhammad marched and slaughtered his enemies and possibly raped people, whose the founding pillar of their religion. That isn't peaceful sounding at all. I don't want muslims to die (I want them to live and believe in Jesus), but a lot of people probably think our lives would be better off without people that are brainwashed by groups like ISIS, Al Queda, El Shabob (I don't care if I spell it incorrectly as they don't deserve to have my concern on spelling) and islamic theocracatic nations to hate and kill us.

I'm confident that if the islamic extremist could use a nuke, they would, without a doubt.

I don't think you quite understand what nuclear weapons represent. If the world wouldn't care about potentially hundreds of thousands of innocent people being massacred in an instant by nuclear weapons, we wouldn't have spent 70 years avoiding their use. 

There have been dozens of points over that time where their use would have been far more justified than now (and indeed there were a few close calls during the cold war), yet those 1st two 70 years ago were the last 2. Heck, despite it happening before most of us were even born, and it generally being considered justified, the US's nuking of Japan is still commonly considered a tragedy. Why? Because regardless to what hateful things people might spout in anger or ignorance, few want to live in a world where the death of thousands is considered fine and dandy.

Anyway, i'm going to take my leave at this point. I've said pretty much everything i have the energy to say. I'm really not fond of political threads.


"Because regardless to what hateful things people might spout in anger or ignorance, few want to live in a world where the death of thousands is considered fine and dandy."

 

but that's what has been happening with regards to the middle east.... iraq, lybia etc etc etc



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FentonCrackshell on 15 November 2015

I like how it says "Putin is doing what Obama wouldn't have the balls to do." As if nuking innocent people in order to take out terrorists is a great idea. These people think life is a video game. Oddly enough, this isn't the first time I've heard such a thing. I once worked with a woman who said we should just pick a country and bomb them off the map. Just to show the world we mean business. She even said it doesn't matter if innocent women and children get caught in the explosions. Then she capped it off with "But Obama wouldn't have the balls to do something like that!" Rich...



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DevilRising on 15 November 2015

I don't doubt Putin would do it, he's a crazy and egotistical fucker.

However, I don't think that is going to happen. "Nuking" is a horrific idea. The fact that America ever did it was absolute evil and unjustified. Him doing it to a bunch of terrorist that are hard to pin down in the first place? Yeah.....

But bombing people is what got ISIS started, honestly. Killing more people is just going to get them killing more people. It'll be an unending cycle until everyone is dead.



Jon-Erich on 15 November 2015

Nuking ISIS? While I have a moral problem with it, from a strategic standpoint, it makes perfect sense. ISIS has ceased a lot of territory. So what is the best way to take territory from them but without having to defend it? Make X amount territory inhabitable to everyone. You're effectively shrinking the battlefield and ISIS's ability to fight. The advantage ISIS currently has is that they're 30,000 strong which isn't too much but they're spread out all over the place. Giving them fewer places to hide makes sense. Also, even though these guys were trained to fight to the death, suddenly wiping out thousands of their buddies at once would still be psychologically damaging to them. Some of them, especially the newer recruits would see fighting being completely pointless. Assad being the asshole that he is would probably support such a plan since it may keep him in power and depending on what kind of nuke it is, there would be certain parts of Syria he wouldn't have to worry about rebuilding for some time.



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Kuksenkov on 15 November 2015

Highly unlikely, but the world should do a South Park: They erased Finland out of this world by nuking them. Nuke the whole middle east already. ~ Just kidding ~ But seriously, although I don't support any war propaganda or actions... The Muslims (not generalizing of course) have a very backward way of thinking. They believe in murdering their females is totally fine if they were to "bring shame to their family", stoning is legal, women are not equal as men, so on and so forth... Guess what? Muslims bring shame to the human race with their savage and primitive actions, why can't we get rid of them in that case?

 



KLAMarine on 15 November 2015

Doubt it'll happen but ISIS are a bunch of monsters so no tears shed on my end.