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There's a lot to like about the United States. First of all being that American innovation and innovators lead to a number of global contributions in the past 200 years especially and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. It's also a large country which a great variety of diversity in terms of environments and people from coast to coast and generally quite a friendly immigrant country which allows for a large mix of cultures. There's also a lot of good food, especially down South, mm. Oh and Amazon US and Netflix are so much better than the Canadian versions, it doesn't even compare, but I'm starting to get off topic.

So Americans have quite a lot of things to be proud of but America also suffers from a lot of issues. One of the most obvious being is that it's a nation of extremes, something which is pretty clear politically but can also be seen demographically. Another issue is the exceptionalism mentally, ironically which is increasingly a problem in Canada, which fuels ignorance towards other nations. I don't believe that the average American lives really any differently than the average Brit or average Canadian.

So yeah like any other country it's got it's ups and downs. I personally wouldn't want to live in the US but I'd visit anytime.



Poliwrathlord said:

What do you think about America?

I love America. It is my homeland and I am glad to live here.  That being said I do hate some things about my homeland. I do not like the people who live in my country. Too many religious nutjobs (I'm religious just so you know) and also there are a lot of ignorant morons on both sides of the political spectrum, both liberal and conservative. I am embarrased about my country being the home to many idiots such as George W. Bush, most people on Fox News, and Anita Sarkeesian (is she 'Murican IDK). But I am also glad that I share the same homeland with great poeple like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, MLK Jr., Mark Twain, and Harriet Tubman.

I am annoyed with America's foreign policies. I wish we were more isolationist like we were in the 1930's and kept our noses out of the rest of the world's problems. I whole heartedly wish we would close our borders and never interact with the rest of the world again, but I know that being completely isolationist would probably never be possible in the U.S.

That is just my opinion, what is yours? Do you love America or do you chant death to America (along with your fellow Jihadists)!

Australian here, you have pretty much the same opinion as me about your country

I often have conflicting emotions about the US, I admire many of your people for their achievments, but I feel put off by your current politcal system, international policy, and social policies

Every American I have met in Australia I have liked a lot, smart, friendly, open minded, but it maybe the ones that travel are your best.

I went to NASA some years ago, and really felt love for the US then, but on the way to see NASA I traveled on vast road networks with every second "car" being a truck, then I felt less positive, such a contradictory country, I think the US is so vast and varied that no one idea encapsulates the country  



What I like:

Low cost of living. Sure we might not have the highest wages here, or the most support from the state, but the effect of that is the cost of living is very, very, very low in most of the country. I have read many accounts of foreigners coming here impressed by the amount of choice of products and the lows costs of products, when they visit places like Walmart. My rent, in a major metropolitan area (albeit not the biggest) is only $350 / month with utilities included. My food bill is $100 / month. I just can't imagine living off less than $700/month in other countries knowing what their costs of living is and the limited consumption options. This is even with a high safety net. 

Huge diversity in where you want to live. Every city in the U.S is quite diverse. Furthermore, you aren't hindered if you want to live in a small town or a rural area. There is an infrastructure there to keep you in touch with the world, and keep you employed.

The higher education system. Regardless of what people say about costs, if I can get into a top university from a family that is in the bottom 10% economically, based off pure success in the public school system, then that says something about economic mobility in this country. The poor live alright lives, pay check to pacy check, but we are not limited to the cards we were dealt in birth.

Respect for everybody independent of income. Probably the biggest reason why there isn't as much class warfare (despite greater "inequality") in the U.S than other countries is that social class just isn't a thing here. You have children of doctors and software engineers going to the same schools and befriending children of painters and waitresses. Everyone treats everyone else with respect. Economic class exists, and income is very much kept private here, but social class just isn't a big thing. Most people shop at the same stores as well. Sure we can talk about the magical 1% who are just that the 1% we never encounter in life. But most interactions you'll have here are with the 99%, and within that diversity there just isn't any concept of social class.

A sentiment of self-sufficiency and individualism that often contradicts other adjacent views Americans hold (nationalism, warfarism, welfarism.) 

Voluntary help and charity. Even the poor here give to charities. I have a friend who makes $20,000 per year and he still gives to the local fire-department, church charity, homeless, etc. As an extension of that though, we also are not afraid to ask or give help to people, and it isn't ever thought of with disdain. Whether it is something as benign as giving directions, or sombody's car broke down in the middle of the night. From what I gather from the accounts of tourists to the U.S, this doesn't happen in other countries, or at least not to the same extent. 

The natural scenery. Wherever you are at in the U.S, there are many things to see here. Since cars are available, and gas is cheap ($2.3/ gal where I live) it isn't hard at all to go explore it.

What I dislike:

Nationalism (or Patriotism is the word Americans use) - this is a detriment. The people literally worship many institutions, such as the police, military, local government services, etc, etc. No rational discourse can be made, because of this. It is almost as if the topics are so emotionally-inductive to Americans they turn their brains off and let the sound-bytes run through their mind. This is something you can find among the whole political spectrum. It is also a post-World War II phenomena, as Americans were quite the opposite in this regards before the World Wars.

Self-involved - this describes us very well. We have us, our close friends, etc and don't really try to understand others very much. While we help anyone, as I mentioned earlier, it is just that. There is a lot of diversity in the U.S, but not many people care to understand this diversity. This is on all levels. I guess this is also why Americans come off as ignorant about world issues.

Over-infatuation with sports. While other countries seem to have a healthy sports atmosphere, it gets quite "mystical" here in the U.S. It is also a huge part of school-life in all levels, taking a lot of resources from other academic endeavors. I find this quite a shame, and often it is the only thing many kids have in their life growing up, leaving them lost once they encounter the real world. 

Mysticism, like I alluded to with sports, nationalism, etc. Americans are quite mystical in their world views. They either worship anything that is important to their lives, or it doesn't matter at all otherwise. You see this expressed in opinions about jobs, sports, national identity, etc, etc. Again, this is a huge contrast to the foundations of the country pre-World War II. Heck, even if you watch the morning shows that come on national television, you see a lot of this mysticism with regards to medicine and health, what gifts you should buy your children, etc, etc. It is all very silly. Hopefully with future generations it will tone down a bit.



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I am not sure about the nature of the original question but I will assume a comparison with the quality of life in USA vs other developed countries, and OECD in particular.

 

America WAS a dream country in 1950s... Europe was devastated, so was Japan and other remote parts of the developed world today. So, when one looks at the historical charts, (s)he would see that America has been far ahead of other countries for a long time and only recently others have been catching up. That is not the whole story though. Germany, for example, was as developed and advanced as US, if not more before the world wars. So was Britain and many others. The continuous conflicts during the late 19th and early to mid 20th centuries devastated those countries and while US has siezed the opportunity and abundant resources in a far away safe haven.

 

For the last 20-30 years, things have changed big time. Just look at any economic statistics, US has started to lag severely. The wage rates are trailing, inequality is on the rise, health care system is shattering, and the education quality is suffering, not to mention the decades old infra structure. Just take a look at the following statistics and you'd be hard-pressed to believe that this is supposedly the leading country in the world!

US vs OECD
http://www.oecd.org/unitedstates/CN%20-%20United%20States.pdf

Wealth Inequality in US
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM

Stagnant Wages
http://www.epi.org/publication/charting-wage-stagnation/
http://www.epi.org/publication/a-decade-of-flat-wages-the-key-barrier-to-shared-prosperity-and-a-rising-middle-class/



Playstation 5 vs XBox Series Market Share Estimates

Regional Analysis  (only MS and Sony Consoles)
Europe     => XB1 : 23-24 % vs PS4 : 76-77%
N. America => XB1 :  49-52% vs PS4 : 48-51%
Global     => XB1 :  32-34% vs PS4 : 66-68%

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freedquaker said:

For the last 20-30 years, things have changed big time. Just look at any economic statistics, US has started to lag severely. The wage rates are trailing, inequality is on the rise, health care system is shattering, and the education quality is suffering, not to mention the decades old infra structure. Just take a look at the following statistics and you'd be hard-pressed to believe that this is supposedly the leading country in the world!

http://www.oecd.org/unitedstates/CN%20-%20United%20States.pdf

You forgot to mention things at which the U.S excels  though. Cost of living and marginal cost of living are much lower than other first-world countries. Economic mobility is at an all time high.

The link you posted shows the U.S. is above the OECD average in practically everything.

Some interesting quotes in your link:

"At the same time, the payoff for obtaining a higher education degree is much higher in the U.S. than in most OECD countries.
For example, over the course of his working life, a tertiary - educated man in the U.S. can expect to earn almost USD 675 000 more than a man with no more than an upper secondary or postsecondary non-tertiary education–far more than in any other country.
Meanwhile, a woman with tertiary education in the U.S. can expect to earn almost USD 390 000 more on average, an amount approached only by tertiary-educated women in Ireland, the Netherlands, Portugal, and the United Kingdom
Over the last decade, the earnings advantage of tertiary graduates over high school graduates has increased in the U.S.from 181% to 184% among men and from 169% to 175% among women . All told, the net present value of obtaining a higher education  –that is, the long term economic benefits, minus the associated costs  – is almost USD 330 000 for a man in the U.S. and more than USD 168 000 for a woman. Only in Portugal is this amount higher"

"Overall, the net public return in the U.S. amounts to USD 232 779 for each tertiary - educated man, and USD 84 313 for each tertiary-educated woman. For men, this public return is higher than in every country but Hungary; for women, it is the 7th-highest return among OECD countries"


And that is without conisdering non-economic factors to quality of life that should be considered. 



freedquaker said:

Wealth Inequality in US
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM

The video forgets to mention a few things.

What Wasn't Said in "Wealth Inequality In America"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44LHBViTZI0



sc94597 said:
freedquaker said:

Wealth Inequality in US
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM

The video forgets to mention a few things.

What Wasn't Said in "Wealth Inequality In America"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44LHBViTZI0


It is true that Income Mobility is also important as the complementary video suggests but what THEY forget that the income mobility in US is also very low! So the legend that you can be a rich guy even if you are poor as heck is no longer true, by a long shot. A simple googling for "Income mobility US vs OECD" will provide you a legion of studies supporting this.

http://www.epi.org/publication/usa-lags-peer-countries-mobility/

The above study, for example, demonstrates the "Intergenerational earnings correlations accross OECD", and US is among the top, which is OPPOSITE of income mobility. In other words, US is not only a very UNEQUAL country in terms of income and even more so, in terms of wealth, worse yet, it is also one of the least income mobile countries.

sc94597 said:
freedquaker said:

For the last 20-30 years, things have changed big time. Just look at any economic statistics, US has started to lag severely. The wage rates are trailing, inequality is on the rise, health care system is shattering, and the education quality is suffering, not to mention the decades old infra structure. Just take a look at the following statistics and you'd be hard-pressed to believe that this is supposedly the leading country in the world!

http://www.oecd.org/unitedstates/CN%20-%20United%20States.pdf

You forgot to mention things at which the U.S excels  though. Cost of living and marginal cost of living are much lower than other first-world countries. Economic mobility is at an all time high.

The link you posted shows the U.S. is above the OECD average in practically everything.

Some interesting quotes in your link:

"At the same time, the payoff for obtaining a higher education degree is much higher in the U.S. than in most OECD countries.
For example, over the course of his working life, a tertiary - educated man in the U.S. can expect to earn almost USD 675 000 more than a man with no more than an upper secondary or postsecondary non-tertiary education–far more than in any other country.
Meanwhile, a woman with tertiary education in the U.S. can expect to earn almost USD 390 000 more on average, an amount approached only by tertiary-educated women in Ireland, the Netherlands, Portugal, and the United Kingdom
Over the last decade, the earnings advantage of tertiary graduates over high school graduates has increased in the U.S.from 181% to 184% among men and from 169% to 175% among women . All told, the net present value of obtaining a higher education  –that is, the long term economic benefits, minus the associated costs  – is almost USD 330 000 for a man in the U.S. and more than USD 168 000 for a woman. Only in Portugal is this amount higher"

"Overall, the net public return in the U.S. amounts to USD 232 779 for each tertiary - educated man, and USD 84 313 for each tertiary-educated woman. For men, this public return is higher than in every country but Hungary; for women, it is the 7th-highest return among OECD countries"


And that is without conisdering non-economic factors to quality of life that should be considered. 

I actually did not forget to mention that. The US has of course many advantages, not everything is worse, many pros and cons. As you point out, many goods and services in US are way cheaper. However, you cannot just argue the quality of life with cheaper iphones, groceries and gas. There are many more vital things, which easily drag people to poverty. What's more expensive or worse in US? Healthcare, pre-college education, insurance, transportation, safety, freedom etc. The US lags most of the development in all of these.

What is also even more important is that even US is still better than half of the OECD in many aspects, things are GETTING WORSE, at least relatively. I am healthcare economist, so let's give an example about it. Life Expectancy at birth...

Year 2000 :

US : 76.7 years, OECD : 77.1

Year 2011 :

US : 78.7 years, OECD : 80.1

 

Now we are talking about the OECD AVERAGE, not the best of OECD, so it includes the likes of Chile, Mexico, and Turkey. The US was worse than this average, and the gap got bigger in 11 years; this is with 3 times the expenditure per person.

 



Playstation 5 vs XBox Series Market Share Estimates

Regional Analysis  (only MS and Sony Consoles)
Europe     => XB1 : 23-24 % vs PS4 : 76-77%
N. America => XB1 :  49-52% vs PS4 : 48-51%
Global     => XB1 :  32-34% vs PS4 : 66-68%

Sales Estimations for 8th Generation Consoles

Next Gen Consoles Impressions and Estimates

I don't want to get into politics so i'll just talk about games. So the contribution that developers and publishers from the United states have made to the videogame industry is considerable, no other country apart from maybe Japan has made such an impact on gaming. Yeah there are lots of generic shooters but there are also some incredible games and some of my favourite games ever are american developed like gears of war, halo, uncharted, god of war, oblivion, skyrim, Fallout and of course the metroid prime trilogy which is a masterpiece.

Also I am thankfull to the United states because my favourite franchise the legend of zelda would be practically dead if it were not for the americans buying it and keeping it relevant. So thank you to all the creative people in the United states that have contributed to gaming, i appreciate it.

BTW i am english or british whichever you prefer.