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Forums - Sports Discussion - The NFL Thread 2015: Denver Broncos win Super Bowl 50

 

Who will win Super Bowl 50?

Patriots 116 25.00%
 
Seahawks 41 8.84%
 
Colts 7 1.51%
 
Packers 42 9.05%
 
Broncos 85 18.32%
 
Ravens 8 1.72%
 
Cowboys 18 3.88%
 
Panthers 56 12.07%
 
Other 74 15.95%
 
Scoreboard 17 3.66%
 
Total:464

These comments = ignorance, people have clearly not been following the case. EVERYTHING about this was a railroad job aimed at the team and Brady, it's ridiculous to say that this is some sort of injustice. Get educated, and then you can hate on Brady, but just fuming about him due to hate is a little misguided.



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dongo8 said:
These comments = ignorance, people have clearly not been following the case. EVERYTHING about this was a railroad job aimed at the team and Brady, it's ridiculous to say that this is some sort of injustice. Get educated, and then you can hate on Brady, but just fuming about him due to hate is a little misguided.

Falcons had three underinflated balls during the superbowl. If anyone thinks that this is just a case of "those cheating patriots", you need to be more informed. This is a case of "hating on the best team in the league".

Case in point, during the AFC game, Patriots did better in the second half (when all the balls had been replaced) than during the first half. 



theprof00 said:
dongo8 said:
These comments = ignorance, people have clearly not been following the case. EVERYTHING about this was a railroad job aimed at the team and Brady, it's ridiculous to say that this is some sort of injustice. Get educated, and then you can hate on Brady, but just fuming about him due to hate is a little misguided.

Falcons had three underinflated balls during the superbowl. If anyone thinks that this is just a case of "those cheating patriots", you need to be more informed. This is a case of "hating on the best team in the league".

Case in point, during the AFC game, Patriots did better in the second half (when all the balls had been replaced) than during the first half. 

So in addition to being cheaters, they're bad at cheating!



noname2200 said:
theprof00 said:
dongo8 said:
These comments = ignorance, people have clearly not been following the case. EVERYTHING about this was a railroad job aimed at the team and Brady, it's ridiculous to say that this is some sort of injustice. Get educated, and then you can hate on Brady, but just fuming about him due to hate is a little misguided.

Falcons had three underinflated balls during the superbowl. If anyone thinks that this is just a case of "those cheating patriots", you need to be more informed. This is a case of "hating on the best team in the league".

Case in point, during the AFC game, Patriots did better in the second half (when all the balls had been replaced) than during the first half. 

So in addition to being cheaters, they're bad at cheating!

Maybe, since they're bad at cheating, they only cheat to give other teams a chance.

Nailed it.



MTZehvor said:

Maybe, since they're bad at cheating, they only cheat to give other teams a chance.

Nailed it.


Seems as good an explanation as any of why their cheating is usually so boneheaded as to be Redskins-esque.



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noname2200 said:
MTZehvor said:

Maybe, since they're bad at cheating, they only cheat to give other teams a chance.

Nailed it.


Seems as good an explanation as any of why their cheating is usually so boneheaded as to be Redskins-esque.

Take that back! No team should be compared to the Redskins as they are currently constructed. Even the Jets aren't going to be that bumbling this year.



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I'm glad that got overturned. Whether NE keeps strong this year or falters, it is never good for there to be a gigantic excuse for anything like missing your most important player for a quarter of the season.

At the same time, the ruling is kind of shady, and spells major problems for discipline in the NFL if they allow this to stand :

Essentially what the judge said on this is that because there wasn't a specific penalty/rule for punishment for the specific offense alleged in this situation, that the NFL had no authority to dole out anything on the matter. In essence, it's like if one of your kids got drunk, stole your car and then wrecked it, but if you had no rule that you had established before about that, then you couldn't ground them.

So I expect the league to take this to the district level on appeals, and there will be massive ramifications far beyond Brady/NE on this fiasco. I just hope the appeals go into the next offseason and don't screw with NE/Brady during this season.



Arkaign said:
I'm glad that got overturned. Whether NE keeps strong this year or falters, it is never good for there to be a gigantic excuse for anything like missing your most important player for a quarter of the season.

At the same time, the ruling is kind of shady, and spells major problems for discipline in the NFL if they allow this to stand :

Essentially what the judge said on this is that because there wasn't a specific penalty/rule for punishment for the specific offense alleged in this situation, that the NFL had no authority to dole out anything on the matter. In essence, it's like if one of your kids got drunk, stole your car and then wrecked it, but if you had no rule that you had established before about that, then you couldn't ground them.

So I expect the league to take this to the district level on appeals, and there will be massive ramifications far beyond Brady/NE on this fiasco. I just hope the appeals go into the next offseason and don't screw with NE/Brady during this season.

Conversley, what the NFL was arguing is they could punish anyone for anything without evidence.  I understand your confusion, but remember, penalties are actually iterated in the CBA (and the team handbook).  The max penalty for a 1st infraction as iterated in the league rules is less than a 10K fine.   Here's the other thing that I think people forget.  This ruling would have impact on every CBA out there.  It would be a legal precedent, dropping the bar to near ground level for what is required.  That has implications far beyond the NFL, the Patriots, Tom brady etc...



Arkaign said:
At the same time, the ruling is kind of shady, and spells major problems for discipline in the NFL if they allow this to stand :

Essentially what the judge said on this is that because there wasn't a specific penalty/rule for punishment for the specific offense alleged in this situation, that the NFL had no authority to dole out anything on the matter. In essence, it's like if one of your kids got drunk, stole your car and then wrecked it, but if you had no rule that you had established before about that, then you couldn't ground them.

Sort of, yeah. But think about that from a legal standpoint.

Suppose, for instance, you get caught speeding. As a result, you're sentenced to five years in jail. You'd have every lawyer in the world signing up to handle an appeal case on that. There has to be some kind of standard for punishment set in place. You can't just arbitrarily fine someone $50 and sentence another person to jail for the same crime. Even if it sounds tedious, there needs to be clearly defined standards for punishment.

Setting aside whether Brady's innocent or not, the idea of working for an employer who can just make up punishment as they see fit with no precedent is kind of scary.



I am glad it got overturned, even though I don't really like Brady or the Patriots.
You do a metric ton of crack, drink a gallon of bourbon and/or slap your ho around - first offense: 2-4 games.
Deflate some balls.....no....not deflate but know or presume that they are deflated: 4 games.

Ridiculous.

Same as the entire Deflategate crap, a silly scandal blown out of proportion by the media, making the league find a scapegoat to not embarass itself.

Just change the damn rules so everybody plays with league approved balls and problem solved.