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MoHasanie said:
HollyGamer said:

Shia Immamiyah who now reign the power around the world always back stabing every Muslim on every generation (destroying Hajar Aswad in ka'bah, betraying Ba asied caliphate by allowing Monggolian army to invade Baghdad, etc etc, even they helping US to conquare Iraq on second   desert storm operations), , shia is not Islam, they have a doctrine to mocking Aisyah, and  deniying Muhammad 3 companion beside Ali even though all 4 companion had been bless by Allah in Alquran , and the stupid thing is they doctrine and  teach syiriq ( worshiping of anyone or anything other than Allah by put their 12 Imam with Allah,   Shia  never use hadith as refference, never admite the Quran that now exist is the real Quran, if i mention you one by one you will agree with me but is best if you ask people that can be face to face with u, and i can open a year worth of lecture lol if i want to explain all of them.

Maybe Shia first came as a political group that oppose the Muawiyah and support Ali, but at the end they become far  with the root of Islam and denying every Muhammad SAW companion and lead to denying every Hadiths while Hadits is a complemantary to Quran.

If you say Taqiyah, then it's true taqiyah is very true, and have been prove, if you dont beleve they are very close to Jews and Israel then with Sunni Islam (real Muslim) , every truth had been revealed especially how they trying to genocide every Muslim around the world, when there is Shia in their country then there will be war.

u can read more on this link i provide http://www.islamawareness.net/Deviant/Shia/shi3a.html

PS: and if you think i am wahabist i am not, i am againts Nasionalisme in Saudi Arabia, and dont like The Saudi Kingdom working together with US  , but for realigion teaching i fully disagreeing with Shia, i a gree with them if they are not part of islam and declare another name beside Islam. The Shi'ism teaching is far from Islamic teaching.

You sounds like ISIS cause they say the same things.

Its a shame that there are muslims like you in the world with your way of thinking, but as long as there are, there will never be peace between muslims. 

Well you dont need to be ISIS to understand  this, you just need more knowladge and reading and asking, , it's a fact. And you also dont need to be wahabist lol,  then me ISIS defending video games platform while watching ANIME, LOL.

 I maybe againts Shia teaching but i will not kill innocent shia who is victim of the teaching. But i will defend every innocent Muslim from Shia soldier if they trying to wage a war in my country. I am not that stupid by joining ISIS but am not that naive agreeing how Iran and there taqiyah, and Islam only have 4 mahzab and Shia is not one of them.

If you think there will be no peace then it's wrong shia is not Islam. So it's out of question.



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super6646 said:
Esiar said:
You should look at their 5-year plan. Imagine if they were successful.


You mean this image?

 

Wow, they plan on taking Spain and Austria too?



Kane1389 said:
super6646 said:


You mean this image?

 

Wow, they plan on taking Spain and Austria too?

Retake. Spain was part of Islamic caliphate for centuries.



HollyGamer said:

Well you dont need to be ISIS to understand  this, you just need more knowladge and reading and asking, , it's a fact. And you also dont need to be wahabist lol,  then me ISIS defending video games platform while watching ANIME, LOL.

 I maybe againts Shia teaching but i will not kill innocent shia who is victim of the teaching. But i will defend every innocent Muslim from Shia soldier if they trying to wage a war in my country. I am not that stupid by joining ISIS but am not that naive agreeing how Iran and there taqiyah, and Islam only have 4 mahzab and Shia is not one of them.

If you think there will be no peace then it's wrong shia is not Islam. So it's out of question.

Well I feel like I'll waste my time giving you a proper response since you seem quite fixed on your thoughts. 

At the end of the day, all Muslims worship the same God, follow the same Qur'an and the same prophets, pray 5x a day, fast in Ramadan, go to Hajj and pay Zakkat. Those are the 5 pillars of Islam and those are how you identify muslims. There are small differences between the sects'beliefs, but at the end of the day, they both follow the same religion. 

Unfotunately, those small differences make Shiites non-muslim according to you. 



    

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super6646 said:
Esiar said:
You should look at their 5-year plan. Imagine if they were successful.


You mean this image?

 

Yes, let them conquer Ebola territory.



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LurkerJ said:
Kane1389 said:

Wow, they plan on taking Spain and Austria too?

Retake. Spain was part of Islamic caliphate for centuries.

732 AD: Charles "The Hammer" Martel drove the Moors out in the Battle of Tours and triggered the regression of the Muslim forces.



Insidb said:
LurkerJ said:

Retake. Spain was part of Islamic caliphate for centuries.

732 AD: Charles "The Hammer" Martel drove the Moors out in the Battle of Tours and triggered the regression of the Muslim forces.

I am not into history at all, but I did some casual reading on wikipedia thanks to the photo that was posted in this very thread, from wiki:

 

For a time, the area that is today Spain and Portugal was one of the great Muslim civilizations, reaching its summit with the Umayyad Caliphate in the 10th century. Muslim Spain had the following chronological phases:

The Emirate directly dependent on the Caliph in Damascus (711–756)

The Independent Emirate (756–929)

The Caliphate of Córdoba (929–1031)

The first Taifas (1031–c. 1091)

The Almoravid rule (c. 1091–c. 1145)

The second Taifas (c. 1145–c. 1151)

The Almohad rule (c. 1151–1212)

The Kingdom of Granada (1212–1492)

The late Alpujarras revolt (1568–1571), with two monarchs appointed successively by the Morisco rebels (Note: the dates when the different taifa kingdoms were annexed by Almoravids and Almohads vary)

It was only by the end of the 14th century after Tariq's conquest that a majority of the population practiced Islam (mostly descendants of native Hispanic converts).

The Madrasah of Granada was the first university in Granada, Andalusia. It was founded by the Nasrid dynastymonarch Yusuf I, Sultan of Granada in 1349

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Spain#Rule

I understand they didn't rule all of spain but parts of it from time to time.



Kyuu said:

I couldn't agree more.


I was going to reply to him but the amount of misinformation, false nonsense, double-standard and hypocrisy he's spouting is so damn mind-boggling. Not that it should surprise me considering I've become aware of this sad situation we're in since I was 10. A close-minded, radical Muslim sounds like a broken record.

Ultimately, I decided to stay away from doctrines because all they do is allow the opposing groups to "box" you inside a false image their delusional minds created. That, and the fact that all doctrines do indeed have serious flaws in them (opinion).. Sunnism is NOT excluded. By "Sunnism" I'm referring to the sources they rely on. Like Shia's, these sources are far from perfect.

It's okay to hate on Shia and judge them on the actions and personal conclusions of a few idiots. But it's not okay to judge my group (in his case, Sunnism) on the actions of corrupt Caliphs, radial Salifists and Wahabists, false Jihadists, Al-Qaeda, Al-Nusra, Saddam Hussein, ISIS and a huge list of countless lunatics. We can't co-exist with Shia because some of those "dirty rafidites" criticize some of the 120 thousand "holy" companions who passed away over 1400 ago!

"I've no issues with the HOLY companions of Muhammad starting a war between themselves, causing the death of tens of thousands and neither should you!!!!.. how dare anyone criticize or even question their actions??? how dare they disagree with me?"

Allow me to sum up the logic of an extreme Muslim:

Sahabi = mini God

Hadith = The word of god (Even when the great majority of those Hadith are admittedly "Ahad Hadith" that are scientifically WEAK because an Ahad Hadith is a narration that is sourced from a single invidiual. For instance, hundreds of Muslims heard [enter Sahabi name here] narrating a story that ONLY HE/SHE has directly heard from Muhammad. But.. [enter Sahabi name] is by definition a super amazing "Sahabi", so no matter how immoral this hadith might sound, I'm just going to believe it! And F**K YOU if you don't!)

Criticism = hate

Doubt = SHAYTAN!!!

Kindness, respect, consideration = Evil Taqiyyah!!

Hiding your faith to survive brutal tyrants = Evil Taqiyyah!!

The beliefs/actions of a few = the whole (This rule doesn't apply to his/her group.. because.. hypocrisy!)

Disagreement =  Utter Herecy

Questionable pracitices = Infidelity

This is an excellent post! Thank you Kyuu. I really didn't have the energy arguing with him because he will probably never agree and never learn. 

Exactly! The sources used by both Shia's and Sunni's to support their beliefs are not accurate. There are many incorrect hadith and both Sunni's and Shia's are guilty of picking and choosing the hadith which best supports their claims whilst ignoring others. 



    

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MoHasanie said:
HollyGamer said:

Well you dont need to be ISIS to understand  this, you just need more knowladge and reading and asking, , it's a fact. And you also dont need to be wahabist lol,  then me ISIS defending video games platform while watching ANIME, LOL.

 I maybe againts Shia teaching but i will not kill innocent shia who is victim of the teaching. But i will defend every innocent Muslim from Shia soldier if they trying to wage a war in my country. I am not that stupid by joining ISIS but am not that naive agreeing how Iran and there taqiyah, and Islam only have 4 mahzab and Shia is not one of them.

If you think there will be no peace then it's wrong shia is not Islam. So it's out of question.

Well I feel like I'll waste my time giving you a proper response since you seem quite fixed on your thoughts. 

At the end of the day, all Muslims worship the same God, follow the same Qur'an and the same prophets, pray 5x a day, fast in Ramadan, go to Hajj and pay Zakkat. Those are the 5 pillars of Islam and those are how you identify muslims. There are small differences between the sects'beliefs, but at the end of the day, they both follow the same religion. 

Unfotunately, those small differences make Shiites non-muslim according to you. 

according to me?????????????          Lol your  knowledge must be twested you should find and gather more knowledge about Islam, because it seems you seem dont care about a pure and the right path of Islamict teaching,

You know right those 5 pilars are the pilar of " Islam " not the pillar of  " Shia " this is the pilar of Shia :

Pillar of Shia Islam

Twelvers

Shia Islam has five Usul al-Din and ten Furu al-Din, i.e., the  shia of Islamic believe and teaching. The Twelver Shia Islam Usul al-Din, equivalent to a Shia Five Pillars, are all beliefs considered foundational to Islam, and thus classified a bit differently from those listed above. They are:

  1. Tawhid (Monotheism: belief in the Oneness of God)
  2. 'Adl (Divine Justice: belief in the Almighty's justice)
  3. Nubuwwah (Prophethood)
  4. Imamah (Succession to the Muhammad)
  5. Mi'ad (The Day of Judgment and the Resurrection)

In addition to these Five Pillars, there are ten practices that Shia Muslims must perform, called the Ancillaries of the faith  (Arabic: furūʿ al-dīn).

  1. Salat
  2. Sawm
  3. Zakat, similar to Sunni Islam, but only applies to cattle, silver, gold, dates, raisins, wheat, and barley, but not money.
  4. Khums: an annual taxation of one-fifth (20%) of the gains that a year has been passed on without using. Khums is paid to the Imam; indirectly to poor and needy people.
  5. Hajj
  6. Jihad
  7. Amr- Bil Ma'ruf
  8. Nahi Anil Munkar
  9. Tawalla: expressing love towards Good.
  10. Tabara: expressing disassociation and hatred towards Evil.

So if you read carefully Islam and Shia is very different,

" AND NO THE DIFFERENT IS TOO BIG " even the shahadath is also bid'ah in Shia, they added another word in shahadah  after Muhammadarrasuulullah they added " Ali as their leader", which is nobody ever teaches  this word even when Muhammad still a live.


I ask you again do you serious believe in Islam, or you just accepting Islam because of your family and tradition, me i was a Muslim by birth and in my younger time i doubt Islam and then i almost became Atheist and then God help give His Hidayah and i found my self gathering evidence of God and Qur'an and then i believe again in Islam, I am not following Islam because i am following a blind fate and following the people around me, i am following because i found it because i learn and gathered it all the knowledge  by myself. It seems your lack of knowledge because you just following what every Muslim do without questioning them. So when you accusing because Sunni give me a doctrine, that's totally wrong because this is the right way and the right path.



to me those videos and pictures of isis killing those prisoners by drowning, and rpg looks too perfect to be real. It's cinema like



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