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Ruler said:
GamechaserBE said:

Not enough remasters.


the Dreamcast had Nightmare creatures, resident evil 2 and 3, tombraider 4 and 5, dino crisis, shadowman and tons of other remasters...


None of those are remasters or remakes.  They are ports of games that came out around the same time.  Nightmare creatures 1 didn't come out on dreamcast, NC2 was current.



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just bought one a few weeks ago. currently enjoying ms pac man maze madness!



Kresnik said:
Seaman. Lol.

I never owned a Dreamcast at the time, but I bought one a few years later and went back to play some games. Then I emulated some more stuff I missed later on.

It's pretty much the definition of a cult console. It had some fantastic games, and certainly a taste for every genre in there, but the software library just could not compete with the two juggernauts at the time (PS1 & PS2).

I feel it absolutely deserves the cult following it has gotten, but definitely isn't "best console ever" or anything like that.

I suspect it's heading the direction the WiiU is now, too. Lots of high-quality games which will be viewed as classics in the future, but without the software width of its competitors to make it a true classic.

Anyway, thanks for the data sharing here. Any sales data is fun to read.


Dreamcast had better games than the PS2 until probably late 2003 and even that is arguable.  The dreamcast did fine against the PS1, it was the PS2 that killed it and that was despite the great games on DC not because of them.  DVD had a lot to do with it too.



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johnsobas said:

doesn't make sense.  I always read over 2 million in Japan for several years, wikipedia says so and those software sales make no sense for a system with 650k.  I've seen the 10.6 million WW sales many times as well and that would need more than 650k from Japan.  

I know, but as I said, that 650k is the last Famitsu number, I know its nuts.

I remember a discussion on salesgaf months ago, about some guys that uncovered some old Sega inverstors document that rather put the Dreamcast at 9.2m interestingly enough, nobody truly knows where the "Dreamcast sold 10.6m" truly came from as Sega never publicly said that, its the most commonly used LTD number for the system but it might not be true.

Wouldn't be too crazy as nobody knows how much the Saturn sold either, people claim that it did between 9.5m to even 16m.



KyleeStrutt said:
johnsobas said:

doesn't make sense.  I always read over 2 million in Japan for several years, wikipedia says so and those software sales make no sense for a system with 650k.  I've seen the 10.6 million WW sales many times as well and that would need more than 650k from Japan.  

I know, but as I said, that 650k is the last Famitsu number, I know its nuts.

I remember a discussion on salesgaf months ago, about some guys that uncovered some old Sega inverstors document that rather put the Dreamcast at 9.2m interestingly enough, nobody truly knows where the "Dreamcast sold 10.6m" truly came from as Sega never publicly said that, its the most commonly used LTD number for the system but it might not be true.

Wouldn't be too crazy as nobody knows how much the Saturn sold either, people claim that it did between 9.5m to even 16m.

Yes it is crazy because it's wrong, 650k makes absolutely no sense.  The software sales show that.  Those software numbers look consistant with a system that sold about half of what the saturn did not 1/8 of it.  



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GamechaserBE said:
Ruler said:


the Dreamcast had Nightmare creatures, resident evil 2 and 3, tombraider 4 and 5, dino crisis, shadowman and tons of other remasters...

Those were mostly ports because sony had exclusive rights till 2000 for some games listed.


sony didnt have any exclsuive deals, the sega saturn was simple too complicated to devolope 3D games for. All of these games came out before the dreamcast came out both in europe and USA. They are just as much as remasters as the last of us, dark souls 2. 



johnsobas said:
Ruler said:


the Dreamcast had Nightmare creatures, resident evil 2 and 3, tombraider 4 and 5, dino crisis, shadowman and tons of other remasters...


None of those are remasters or remakes.  They are ports of games that came out around the same time.  Nightmare creatures 1 didn't come out on dreamcast, NC2 was current.

 

most of these games came out 1 year later or more, its the same like with PS4. And ports on PS4 are also viewed as remasters 



Ruler said:

sony didnt have any exclsuive deals, the sega saturn was simple too complicated to devolope 3D games for. All of these games came out before the dreamcast came out both in europe and USA. They are just as much as remasters as the last of us, dark souls 2. 

From what I've read, Sony did have exclusive deals, I don't know the full extend of them, but supposedly they made a deal with Eidos to keep Tomb Raider PS exclusive after the success of the first one, same goes for Capcom and Resident Evil.

Story goes, these deals expired on the year 2000, that's when both of those series went multiplatform again.



I loved my dreamcast. The memory cards were awesome. I remember playing code veronica and the memory card showing your characters heartbeat. In Shenmue it showed a variety of things and in sonic you had the Tamagotchi thing with the Chao.

I reckon the next dualshock will have a screen that will work in a similar fashion.



KyleeStrutt said:
Ruler said:

sony didnt have any exclsuive deals, the sega saturn was simple too complicated to devolope 3D games for. All of these games came out before the dreamcast came out both in europe and USA. They are just as much as remasters as the last of us, dark souls 2. 

From what I've read, Sony did have exclusive deals, I don't know the full extend of them, but supposedly they made a deal with Eidos to keep Tomb Raider PS exclusive after the success of the first one, same goes for Capcom and Resident Evil.

Story goes, these deals expired on the year 2000, that's when both of those series went multiplatform again.


not true Capcom ported allmost every 2D game on Sega saturn even exclusives like final fight revenge. 

The Sega Saturn had complicated Architecture at the time not only had it 2 CPUs but it also only allowed its games to run on Quader Poligons over Triangle Poligons used on PC and Playstation. It was too expensive remodelling every Character and object for the Saturn thats why 3D Games droped quickly on this console.

 

 

Capcom planed to do a Resident evil 2 but canceled it after dreamcast was on its way anyways 

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