fatslob-:O said:
Hyper threading is useless and the other 7th gen emulators are slow and not have a whole lot of compatibility ... |
not if you have more then 2 cores (4 cores preferably ).
so when do you think 7 gen emulator ready for consumer 2 years , 3 years ??
| Eddie_Raja said: Get an FX-6300 because it is half the price of the i5 and if threaded correctly it performs just as well. YES, the FX-6300 will run emulators a LITTLE slower, but it will run modern games WAY WAY better. |
Uhh, no ...
The i5 straight up demolishes the FX-6300 in Dolphin ...
| HollyGamer said: not if you have more then 2 cores (4 cores preferably ). so when do you think 7 gen emulator ready for consumer 2 years , 3 years ?? |
Hyper threading is still pretty useless even for dual cores ...
7th gen emulators are ready anytime YOU feel like it, after all they've been released ...
| HollyGamer said: Try to use 4 core for emulator, emulator always heavy on CPU and hyper treading. |
Yes, emulators are CPU heavy, but no they are not heavy on hyperthreading. IPC and clock speed are much more important.
Results:
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"A"
Core i7-4790K @ 5.0 GHz = 3:47 (4 cores 8 threads)
Core i7-4790K @ 4.9 GHz = 3:54 (4 cores 8 threads)
Core i7-4790K @ 4.7 GHz = 4:03 (4 cores 8 threads)
Core i5-4670K @ 4.4 GHz = 4:16 (4 cores 4 threads)
Pentium G3258 @ 4.6 GHz = 4:25 (2 cores 2 threads)
"B"
Core i7-4790K @ 4.4 GHz = 4:49 (4 cores 8 threads)
Pentium G3258 @ 4.2 GHz = 5:02 (2 cores 2 threads)
Core i5-4690K @ 3.5 GHz??? = 5:21 (4 cores 4 threads)
Xeon E3-1231 v3 @ 3.4 GHz = 5:33 (4 cores 8 threads)
Core i5-4670K @ 3.8 GHz = 5:36 (4 cores 8 threads)
"C"
Pentium G3258 @ 3.2 GHz = 6:13 (2 cores 2 threads)
Core i5-4440 @ 3.1 GHz = 6:25 (4 cores 4 threads)
Pentium G3220 @ 3.0 GHz = 6:38 (2 cores 2 threads)
Core i7-3770 @ 3.4 GHz = 7:02 (4 cores 8 threads)
Core i5-2500 @ 3.3 GHz = 7:17 (4 cores 4 threads)
Core i7-4700MQ @ 3.4 GHz = 7:32 (4 cores 8 threads)
Core i3-4330T @ 3.0 GHz = 7:34 (2 cores 4 threads)
Athlon II X2 280 @ 4.1 GHz = 8:25 (2 cores 2 threads)
"D"
Core i7-960 @ 3.2 GHz = 9:09 (4 cores 8 threads)
Phenom II X4 955 @ 3.5 GHz = 9:27 (4 cores 4 threads)
Xeon E5440 @ 3.6 GHz = 9:43 (4 cores 4 threads)
Xeon E5-1603 @ 2.8 GHz = 10:23 (4 cores 4 threads)
Notice how much more crucial IPC and Clock Speed are than core/thread count. A G3258 outperforms a Core i7 960 easily, even at its stock speed (no overclock.) What is important for Dolphin is the instruction sets that are present and the clock speed of said process. If the processor doesn't have the required instruction sets or a high enough clock speed it doesn't matter how many cores it has. Furthermore, we see a Pentium G3258 @ 4.6 Ghz perform similarly to a Core i5 4670k (both are Haswells) at 4.4 Ghz. For a price that is $140 less, unless one wants to consider modern PC games, a G3258 is a better price/value for emulation.
| ReimTime said: Good build. Kinda off topic but what kind of monitor does he have? Doesn't really matter but I like reading about other people's setups :p |
Don't recall what his monitor is. Asked him about it and he said it can do 1080p and that was all that I really needed to know. But he also wants to hook the PC up to a 1080p Vizio 48' that is in his apartment. That is why he wanted as small of a case as possible.
sc94597 said:
Yes, emulators are CPU heavy, but no they are not heavy on hyperthreading. IPC and clock speed are much more important. Results: Notice how much more crucial IPC and Clock Speed are than core/thread count. A G3258 outperforms a Core i7 960 easily, even at its stock speed (no overclock.) What is important for Dolphin is the instruction sets that are present and the clock speed of said process. If the processor doesn't have the required instruction sets or a high enough clock speed it doesn't matter how many cores it has. Furthermore, we see a Pentium G3258 @ 4.6 Ghz perform similarly to a Core i5 4670k (both are Haswells) at 4.4 Ghz. For a price that is $140 less, unless one wants to consider modern PC games, a G3258 is a better price/value for emulation. |
then get i5 then, it need less power ratio, then G3258
and it's also great for runing modern games on PC and running modern application. from the result all result is close each other. and if he used G3258 he will not able to upgrade to a i5 becuase it has different socket on MOBO.
| HollyGamer said: then get i5 then, it need less power ratio, then G3258 |
If my friend's budget wasn't $600 max I would tell him to get an overclockable i5. But since he made it clear that $600 is the maximum he'd pay, I figured the G3258, considering it is sufficient to max emulators, LoL/MMORPGs, and is capable of playing any game that has been released up to this point at the medium settings which his r9 270x will afford him, excluding Dragon Age Inquisition, then an i5 is unnecessary.
sc94597 said:
Don't recall what his monitor is. Asked him about it and he said it can do 1080p and that was all that I really needed to know. But he also wants to hook the PC up to a 1080p Vizio 48' that is in his apartment. That is why he wanted as small of a case as possible. |
Ah ok. Hooking it up to a big screen sounds like a good idea
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the-pi-guy said:
If your friend is comfortable with overclocking, then I think the Pentium is the best choice, if not then he could still get a i5-4460 and still be in budget. |
The motherboard makes it very easy to overclock. You just go into the bios, click a button and then you're at 4.2 Ghz. Then all you need to do is up the voltage a bit, and you can be at a stable 4.4 - 4.5 Ghz. Of course, depending on how good the specific CPU you get it is at overclocking. If he showed interest in future-proof PC gaming, video processing, or any task that required a good bit of multi-threading I'd tell him to get an i5- 4460 with a cheaper board (no need for an expensive board if not overclocking) but he just isn't interested. I'm sure once he gets into emulation though, he might start to consider PC gaming, that's why I gave him a good entry level card - r9 270x, and an upgrade path (to an i5 4690k/ broadwell version or even an i7 4790k / broadwell version depending on when he chooses to upgrade for.)
To be honest, he was going to spend $600 on a crap computer from Walmart or something, and I told him that I'd show him how to build a much better computer, etc, etc. He didn't consider it until he realized that he can emulate games on it like I do on mine. He is a physics major (like myself) and we go to a very competitive school so it shouldn't be over his head, once he gets started. He just has never done it before.
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