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RealGamingExpert said:
Turkish said:


It is good, people just argued it wasn't long enough.

I dont think you have played the game.

What part about it can be considered good except the graphics?

The story? No, just no. Gameplay? Generic shooter gameplay. Characters are a joke as well.

The game ends before it really starts, making it almost seem like they cut out a lot of content at the end. DLC will come, no doubt about that.

This. It's a real shame such a big fuss was made by gamers about the length, it kind of shields the game from its real flaws. It's like Driveclub where a big fuss was made about servers, everyone just assumes that's why it scored "low". But if you read the reviews, not much was made about online issues, but rather deeper flaws in the game itself.

Same situation with The Order. Yeah it's short as hell. But that's ok if the game has good elements and strong replay value. I cannot think of a single redeeming quality of The Order outside of graphics, and it has literally 0 replay value. You're exactly right about generic shooting. And even though there are a couple weapons you get to hold a few times in the game before the narrative rips them away, the laughable AI and terribly small selection of enemy varieties more than cancel them out.

I just read someone say there is a seamless transition from gameplay to cutscene and how this is a "next gen feature". LOL. The cut scenes you cannot skip are the loading screens. Max Payne 3 did this last gen as well, only it eventually let you skip the rest of the cut scene when the game finished loading.



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Turkish said:

It is good, people just argued it wasn't long enough.

I dont think you have played the game.


No, people rightfully said the game wasn't good, regardless of length.

Also, I played the game. Not much more to say, really.



LudicrousSpeed said:
RealGamingExpert said:
Turkish said:


It is good, people just argued it wasn't long enough.

I dont think you have played the game.

What part about it can be considered good except the graphics?

The story? No, just no. Gameplay? Generic shooter gameplay. Characters are a joke as well.

The game ends before it really starts, making it almost seem like they cut out a lot of content at the end. DLC will come, no doubt about that.

This. It's a real shame such a big fuss was made by gamers about the length, it kind of shields the game from its real flaws. It's like Driveclub where a big fuss was made about gamers, everyone just assumes that's why it scored "low". But if you read the reviews, not much was made about online issues, but rather deeper flaws in the game itself.

Same situation with The Order. Yeah it's short as hell. But that's ok if the game has good elements and strong replay value. I cannot think of a single redeeming quality of The Order outside of graphics, and it has literally 0 replay value. You're exactly right about generic shooting. And even though there are a couple weapons you get to hold a few times in the game before the narrative rips them away, the laughable AI and terribly small selection of enemy varieties more than cancel them out.

I just read someone say there is a seamless transition from gameplay to cutscene and how this is a "next gen feature". LOL. The cut scenes you cannot skip are the loading screens. Max Payne 3 did this last gen as well, only it eventually let you skip the rest of the cut scene when the game finished loading.


You list things as fact that are opinion.  I LOVED the gunplay.  I wish the game had been longer so I could have used them more.  Why is it so hard to understand some people really liked the game and thought it did things well?



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RealGamingExpert said:
epicurean said:


After reading this again I have to believe you haven't played it.  I believe there are plenty that played it and didn't like it, and that's fine.  But your description is just too far off.  If you did post your PSN.

http://psnprofiles.com/RealGamingExpert

I fail to see what's far off about it. Characters were really generic, though Tesla was fun. The story sadly ends before it should have. Setting it up perfectly for DLC / a sequel, but it should have been in this game still, especially considering the short playtime. 

The gameplay was generic shooter gameplay, though some of the weapons were really cool. The weapons might actually be the best thing next to the graphics. It sadly doesn't help the game much though. It gets boring after a few hours.

I actually was pretty bored the first few hours.  Once the story started going and I got a better feel for the weapons is when I really got into it.  



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epicurean said:


You list things as fact that are opinion.  I LOVED the gunplay.  I wish the game had been longer so I could have used them more.  Why is it so hard to understand some people really liked the game and thought it did things well?

This coming from the guy who is asking for PSN profile names just so he can check and see if people posting different opinions than his own have even played the game.

As if the only way you could not agree that it's a great game is that you simply did not play it.



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epicurean said:
RealGamingExpert said:

http://psnprofiles.com/RealGamingExpert

I fail to see what's far off about it. Characters were really generic, though Tesla was fun. The story sadly ends before it should have. Setting it up perfectly for DLC / a sequel, but it should have been in this game still, especially considering the short playtime. 

The gameplay was generic shooter gameplay, though some of the weapons were really cool. The weapons might actually be the best thing next to the graphics. It sadly doesn't help the game much though. It gets boring after a few hours.

I actually was pretty bored the first few hours.  Once the story started going and I got a better feel for the weapons is when I really got into it.  

Well that is true, but it just feels like the ending comes way too early. If the game was like 2 - 3  hours longer and the story would go on, then I certainly would rate it higher. The game is pretty and some moments are really good, but it's not something special. Really mediocre game all around.



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lAngry Joe's review made the game look like crap. Is he part of the smear campaign?



sony should make a free 2-3 hours long dlc that adresses some major complaints before they announce a second part. i like the ip, problem is the name is damaged hard.
same problem with driveclub, but i think dc can make it to a sequel, and the order unfortunately not.



must-have-list for platforms i don't own yet:

WiiU: Donkey Kong

XBone: Dead Rising 3, Ryse

Puppyroach said:
There might be a sequel, but most likely not exclusive to PS4 and with a much, MUCH smaller budget. It was simply a catastrophic release and sales will drop off fast.


Sony owns the IP, so if there's a sequel, there's no way in hell that it isn't a PS4 exclusive.



LudicrousSpeed said:
epicurean said:


You list things as fact that are opinion.  I LOVED the gunplay.  I wish the game had been longer so I could have used them more.  Why is it so hard to understand some people really liked the game and thought it did things well?

This coming from the guy who is asking for PSN profile names just so he can check and see if people posting different opinions than his own have even played the game.

As if the only way you could not agree that it's a great game is that you simply did not play it.

Pretty obvious you cherry-picked one thing I have said to back up an arguement that is in no way even relevant.  I had already stated the game had flaws.  I also stated there were valid opinions for those that like it as well as those who didn't.  You can't seem to grasp that some people really liked the game.



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