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cookingyourmama on 04 February 2015
Seece said:
XB1 will have needed to ship 13m not 12.5m, IMO :)

It's pretty obvious 360 is second imo, and has been all along.

It just can't be confirmed (and never will be likely.)

Nope i've already proved this with the fiscal shipment numbers, to reach the example i gave the Xbox One would have needed to have shipped 12.5m. The Xbox One could have only shipped 11.8m leaving the rest for the 360 and the PS3 could still potentialy be ahead.

Seece said:
Also, FYI, PS3 made their 80m annoucement 3 weeks after Microsoft. Including THAT Q, since then 360 has shipped more than PS3, that isn't even guessing either, as from that point onwards we have PS3 quarterly figures.

Again no you need to check your facts, Sony made their 80m annoucement 16 DAYS LATER. FACT.

Yes i know that includes some of that quarters numbers which i have already worked out.

No since then it is NOT A FACT that the 360 has shipped more than the PS3, that's just your opinion. We have PS3 numbers and you're just guessing 360 numbers for this year.



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Seece on 04 February 2015
joeorc said:
Seece said:
XB1 will have needed to ship 13m not 12.5m, IMO :)

It's pretty obvious 360 is second imo, and has been all along.

It just can't be confirmed (and never will be likely.)


Are you sure?

Here is a point that I think many are in fact missing, Microsoft down production on all Xbox platforms in June of last year and that included the xbox360, while Sony did not!

Based on that info is if Sony is out in production, and Microsoft is in down Production, than would that mean there is in fact a good chance Microsoft has or had a surplus of existing console units that were made but not sold yet due to having to cut down production number's /month for each platform they make! And that based on the fall Christmas season waited to shift more to the fall and let what was on the shelf sell first?

Why do you think Microsoft has not really talked about increasing the production of units? And increasing its output?

Take a look at the fall section of deals they had on existing units that were listed as limited run, but yet they had more than just a few, as a matter of fact many people show off pictures of the stock Microsoft had in stores to sell, along with heavy promotions on said limited boxed bundles.

If the production of units was selling at a much faster pace, that would be a key point of increasing production for the month per system right?

I think it Answere's itself 

Because they At Microsoft do not need too because there demand was not until fall season and even than they had an existing surplus or units, and since Sony ships to more countries than Microsoft it is very unlikely Microsoft has outshipped Sony, not on the xbox360 or the xbox one.

In my opinion, with no talk about production increase, that is the largest key point i think.

Link, because we know 360 outshipped PS3 in 2014, so that doesn't sound right at all



 

cookingyourmama on 04 February 2015
Seece said:
joeorc said:
Seece said:
XB1 will have needed to ship 13m not 12.5m, IMO :)

It's pretty obvious 360 is second imo, and has been all along.

It just can't be confirmed (and never will be likely.)


Are you sure?

Here is a point that I think many are in fact missing, Microsoft down production on all Xbox platforms in June of last year and that included the xbox360, while Sony did not!

Based on that info is if Sony is out in production, and Microsoft is in down Production, than would that mean there is in fact a good chance Microsoft has or had a surplus of existing console units that were made but not sold yet due to having to cut down production number's /month for each platform they make! And that based on the fall Christmas season waited to shift more to the fall and let what was on the shelf sell first?

Why do you think Microsoft has not really talked about increasing the production of units? And increasing its output?

Take a look at the fall section of deals they had on existing units that were listed as limited run, but yet they had more than just a few, as a matter of fact many people show off pictures of the stock Microsoft had in stores to sell, along with heavy promotions on said limited boxed bundles.

If the production of units was selling at a much faster pace, that would be a key point of increasing production for the month per system right?

I think it Answere's itself 

Because they At Microsoft do not need too because there demand was not until fall season and even than they had an existing surplus or units, and since Sony ships to more countries than Microsoft it is very unlikely Microsoft has outshipped Sony, not on the xbox360 or the xbox one.

In my opinion, with no talk about production increase, that is the largest key point i think.

Link, because we know 360 outshipped PS3 in 2014, so that doesn't sound right at all

No it is not a fact the 360 outshipped the ps3 in 2014 you cannot keep saying this.



Seece on 04 February 2015
cookingyourmama said:
Seece said:
joeorc said:
Seece said:
XB1 will have needed to ship 13m not 12.5m, IMO :)

It's pretty obvious 360 is second imo, and has been all along.

It just can't be confirmed (and never will be likely.)


Are you sure?

Here is a point that I think many are in fact missing, Microsoft down production on all Xbox platforms in June of last year and that included the xbox360, while Sony did not!

Based on that info is if Sony is out in production, and Microsoft is in down Production, than would that mean there is in fact a good chance Microsoft has or had a surplus of existing console units that were made but not sold yet due to having to cut down production number's /month for each platform they make! And that based on the fall Christmas season waited to shift more to the fall and let what was on the shelf sell first?

Why do you think Microsoft has not really talked about increasing the production of units? And increasing its output?

Take a look at the fall section of deals they had on existing units that were listed as limited run, but yet they had more than just a few, as a matter of fact many people show off pictures of the stock Microsoft had in stores to sell, along with heavy promotions on said limited boxed bundles.

If the production of units was selling at a much faster pace, that would be a key point of increasing production for the month per system right?

I think it Answere's itself 

Because they At Microsoft do not need too because there demand was not until fall season and even than they had an existing surplus or units, and since Sony ships to more countries than Microsoft it is very unlikely Microsoft has outshipped Sony, not on the xbox360 or the xbox one.

In my opinion, with no talk about production increase, that is the largest key point i think.

Link, because we know 360 outshipped PS3 in 2014, so that doesn't sound right at all

No it is not a fact the 360 outshipped the ps3 in 2014 you cannot keep saying this.

Even with your 12.5m XB1 figure you realise this wouldn't change things? XB1 would have to be at 12.8m (for a draw). That still doesn't go anyway to proving his theory about 360 winding down faster than PS3.



 

Captain_Tom on 04 February 2015
maximrace said:
Captain_Tom said:
Yep. Some people can't except that Xbox never has and never will outsell Playstation.


If we look at the numbers and your post I would say it's the other way around :P


I don't follow.  PS2 >>>>> Xbox, PS3 > 360, PS4 >>> X1.  Are you living in some other reality I don't know of?



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joeorc on 04 February 2015


According to Save/Continue, they rolled out a figure as to why Microsoft is in this position, and it has to do with the fact that – as mentioned by Webush Morgan Securities analyst Michael Pachter – Microsoft started producing Xbox One units back in September of 2013, at a rate of a million a month. Save/Continue to postulates that the numbers fit in line with the 3.9 million shipped figure for the end of 2013, which Microsoft rolled out earlier this year, despite only having sold 3.1 million units. The article goes on to state that at that rate the company would have 8 million total units produced, even though Microsoft only recently announced that they have shipped 5 million SKUs to retailer shelves, since launch. 

Simply put: At the rate of production and the slow pace of the sales, it means that Microsoft happened to produce more units than they could sell, and out-supplied the demand for the Xbox One, leaving 3 million units left in a warehouse somewhere – if the figure holds true that they manufactured 8 million units. 

As noted in the BGR article... 

“We know that the company has shipped 5 million consoles to retailers since launch, but Microsoft hasn’t been as forthcoming with actual end user sales data.”


This dearth of information has been a bane to Microsoft's perceived position in the console race. Nevertheless, measuring the figures of the units sold and the rough estimates by VG Chartz, it shows that Microsoft has only moved 4.4 million Xbox One units thus far, meaning that – if we're going by the 8 million produced total – they would have 3.6 million units still unsold. This number isn't too unlikely given that Sony did announce that they sold-through (to customers) 7 million PlayStation 4 units since launch. It may not be hard to imagine that Sony, too, also produced 8 million units. 

So what does that tell us about this marathon so far? It tells us that Microsoft is a crippled old lady running the autobahn and Sony is Lolo Jones running a track relay. There's just no competition.



I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.

cookingyourmama on 04 February 2015
Seece said:

Even with your 12.5m XB1 figure you realise this wouldn't change things? XB1 would have to be at 12.8m (for a draw). That still doesn't go anyway to proving his theory about 360 winding down faster than PS3.

You really need to check your numbers. In total combined the Xbox One & 360 has shipped 98.9m. IF the Xbox One has shipped 12.5m then that leaves 86.4m 360's and it is entirely possible the PS3 has shipped more than that when it's upper shipped limit is 87.3m. We do not know what 2014's 360 numbers are so you cannot say either way which console is winding down faster.



joeorc on 04 February 2015

Again:
BGR picked up a story from Gamasutra, where during a conference call Microsoft's chief financial officer, Amy Hood, dropped some less than encouraging information about the production and sales status of the Xbox One, with Gamasutra writing...
“"We do expect to work through some inventory in Q4," said Hood, referring in this case to the period between April 1 - June 30, 2014. She also referred to "channel inventory drawdown for Xbox consoles," implying that manufacturing of Xbox consoles will slow or stop, to allow retailers time to work through existing inventory.“

 

See key point Amy was talking about not just Xbox one by itself, she was talking about all Xbox consoles!

Its pretty clear when Greenberg stated "almost" 10 million he did mean it, but it was a pretty far 'Almost there" shipping target at that point but fall was right around the corner so it was not like he was not telling the truth.



I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.

Seece on 04 February 2015
cookingyourmama said:
Seece said:

Even with your 12.5m XB1 figure you realise this wouldn't change things? XB1 would have to be at 12.8m (for a draw). That still doesn't go anyway to proving his theory about 360 winding down faster than PS3.

You really need to check your numbers. In total combined the Xbox One & 360 has shipped 98.9m. IF the Xbox One has shipped 12.5m then that leaves 86.4m 360's and it is entirely possible the PS3 has shipped more than that when it's upper shipped limit is 87.3m. We do not know what 2014's 360 numbers are so you cannot say either way which console is winding down faster.

That is not it's upper ship limit tho. It did not beat Sony's 13m forecast in FY 2013. Do your research.



 

DonFerrari on 04 February 2015

And here we are yet again with people using the word "facts" for non-factual opinion.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."