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Cj2i3 said:

"Everyone's opinion on you is low and terrible."
Well good, I hope the 37 billion of humanitarian aid feels low and terrible too. The only ones that probably come close to that amount is Canada and the EU.

"Suck the king cock in exchange for oil"
8% Oil, seriously? US produces over 50%'of its Oil with Canada around 25%. Now Big Daddy and Canada is teaching Russia, and the Middle East a lesson by producing a shît ton of oil and selling it for dollars. Now we see Middle East forced to sell oil cheap same with Russia.

North Korea has the perpetuation that the US is hellbent on destroying them. North Korea sends its people to mass murder. China only supports them because they are a buffer and share similar ideologies. US stands with it's ally South Korea whom is still technically at war with NK.

Oh boy Russia, lol the country that "annexes" a sovereign region in Georgia and Ukraine and seems ready to restart its conquest of Eastern Europe.

Depends on your definition of "forced." They are certainly trying to put shale oil out of business, or at least hamper its development.



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Mnementh said:
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MoHasanie said:
Saudi Arabia is an evil country. They fund terrorists, their country is awful, and the royal family take all the country's money And then they act like they are trying to "stop" terrorism when they are the biggest funders of it.

So much generalizing! How can a country be evil?

The term that some US-president coined for that was rogue state, so Saudia Arabia is a rogue state.

Ah, but you're only a rogue if you don't follow international norms. Rogue states means just that, the pariahs like Qaddafi's Libya, or North Korea presently. Even the "rogue" status of Iran and Cuba is questionable, since they play ball with a lot of countries (just not the US).

Rogue States in the US diplomatic lexicon just seems to be "countries we don't like, post Cold War", because our enemies abroad cannot be put into a neat little box anymore, so we include states like Iran or, up until a few days ago, Cuba, in these listings.



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Mr Khan said:

Depends on your definition of "forced." They are certainly trying to put shale oil out of business, or at least hamper its development.

So inevitable decline in shale oil industry is somebody's else fault? Has smbd else told you that you came up with this by yourself? Macroeconomic reasons behind this... no?



mai said:

Mr Khan said:

Depends on your definition of "forced." They are certainly trying to put shale oil out of business, or at least hamper its development.

So inevitable decline in shale oil industry is somebody's else fault? Has smbd else told you that you came up with this by yourself? Macroeconomic reasons behind this... no?

Saudi oil is some of the lowest-cost to extract on the planet. They can afford to push the supply higher than anyone else and still turn a tidy profit on their operations, and trip up the business pretty much anywhere else. The question is whether they are deliberately trying to hurt someone, like us in America, or you in Russia.

Hell, i'm from a part of the country that'll hurt a lot from this.



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The truth is. America is a business. And other countries are customers. We can't have other countries or terrorist messing with out interest . America doesn't care for religion, money doesn't have one. Melting pot. Get all the money fool.



Mr Khan said:

Saudi oil is some of the lowest-cost to extract on the planet. They can afford to push the supply higher than anyone else and still turn a tidy profit on their operations, and trip up the business pretty much anywhere else. The question is whether they are deliberately trying to hurt someone, like us in America, or you in Russia.

Hell, i'm from a part of the country that'll hurt a lot from this.

:)

As you probably aware "patriots" of various kinds is the field of my "expertise", so check that. When the drop in oil prices have occur the "patriotic public" over here invented two possible explanations:
- Optimisitc: Saudis are trying to kill off the US shail oil industry. It's bad for America, and everything that is bad for America is good for us.
- Alarmist: Saudis are best America's allies, they are trying to kill off Russia's oil industry. We all are going to d-i-i-i-e. *running in cicrles*

Both equally conspirological, i.e. not smth that's unneccessary untrue, after all some conspiracy theories do turn into conspiracy facts, but theoretically unprovable.

But my old buddy Bill from England have told me there's easisest explanation -- the entire situation should give a viewer a sense of dejavue from 2008-2009 events -- when debt bubble collapse oil prices are going down. Back then only Fed's printing machine has stopped the process, which resumed now with the end of QE3. Back then it took about half a year for shale oil industry to react in severe rig count drop, how long would it take now? Probably more, probably this time prices won't go to the records of 2009 (~40USD) and stop at current ~60USD (after all Fed has poured a few trillions in the markets since then). Maybe there's some other stealth processes are going on in oil prices we don't see, but general trend is macroeconomic. It's in Fed's power to stop it by start flooding markets with "free" liquidity, but that'll only accelerate the process of dropping USD from world's trade, so it is in tough position: "to print or not to print" -- the descision not to print has it drawbacks too, of course. As for Saudis, their role in the act is to die in the process and "allied" status won't matter, otherwise collapse of energy markets in Eurasia would be hardly achievable. But the latter is merely a hyposesis.

 

//There's a lot of explanations circulate in the every given infosphere for any given fact that will suit any given agenda, I don't think that blindly adopting the first that come to one's attention is a good thing to do. Especially now, when war rhetorics is going on wildly and theoretically people should be more cautios about opinions they support. But as we all now, idiots are the main resource of capitalism, so these're probably just groundless hopes.



Valdney said:

Anyone who says that kind of rubbish written in the OP about the greatest nation in the history of mankind, is an ungrateful stupid little kid who knows nothing about the real world. And is filled with jealousy all the way up their ass.

I am Brazilian btw.

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How exactly is the US the greatest country in the world?  The US currently is only at first place in millitary spending and homicides per inhabitant. 



wambam24 said:
The truth is. America is a business. And other countries are customers. We can't have other countries or terrorist messing with out interest . America doesn't care for religion, money doesn't have one. Melting pot. Get all the money fool

It goes both ways..  Every time you buy lego you are  a consumer to my country.  Your statement is pointless. Everone buys and sells to each other.  It is quite common knowledge



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Cj2i3 said:


Oh boy Russia, lol the country that "annexes" a sovereign region in Georgia and Ukraine and seems ready to restart its conquest of Eastern Europe.

USA annexed soveign parts of serbia. And besides that ukraine and georgia broke up from the soviet union which was also against the sovereigny of the soviet union like america violated the sovereignty of britain 300 years ago.

I don't know what you're talking about with Serbia, but you seem to lack an understanding of both history and what soverignty means. First, while many Soviet Republics had declared their independence in 1990 and 1991, they all had one final meeting to formally dissolve the Soviet Union and declare themselves the Commonwealth of Independent States. So that breakup was perfectly legal. Second, America didn't violate Britain's sovernty. Since the British still considerd America to be their territory, it was more like a domestic dispute within the British Empire. That dispute came to an end in 1783 when the British Empire agreed to let America be free. If anything, the French were the ones who violated Britain's sovereignty since they were an outside force who participated in the American Revolution against the British. 


Nope they hadnt such a meeting. US violated Britains sovereignty, britain agreed to nothing, you won your indepence with war just like the people in donbass are fighting for. So france is resposible for american indepence ? lol so why arent you playing national hymne of france during independence day?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1787_in_the_United_States

You declared kosovo independent, its terriotory of serbia

Again, what happened between the US and Britain was a demostic dispute. This dispute was ended with a peace treaty in 1783 between the US, Britain and France where Britain agreed to let go of America and recognize America's independence. Your link is about what happened in 1787. That was the year when the US ratified the constitution that it currently lives under. That has nothing to do with the end of the American Revolution since the constitution that the US was living under during the American Revolution was the failed Articles of Confederation. Since you like wikipedia, here's an article that talks the meeting you said that never happened. I will also agree that what's going in Ukraine is pretty much the same thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Paris_(1783)

Domestic wars of independence happen a lot. Sometimes they're successful, sometimes they're not. Also, you ask why we never play France's national hymne on our Independence day? It's the same reason Western Europe doesn't play the American National Anthem on V.E. Day. It's not our song. We have ours just like they have theirs. 

Since you brought up Kosovo, I know what you're talking about.....sort of. See, the US didn't declare Kosovo's independence. They declared it themselves and the US along with other countries simply recognized it. Recognizing one nation or territory has nothing to do with violating another country's sovereignty. Had the US actually invaded Serbia and declared Cosovo as a nation, then that would have been considered a violation of Serbia's soverignty



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