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Bofferbrauer on 18 October 2014
vivster said:
generic-user-1 said:
vivster said:
I'm puking at how they try to sell this as a revolution. There are literally dozens of home computers in that size.


but the most are a bit bigger and dont have a i5 inside.   its a fine toy, but its just not usefull. u  cant play most games well because of the gpu and if u just wanna work with it, its way to expensiv and overpowered.  the i5 has more power than the ps4 cpu and is used in mid level gaming pcs(if they pick a good i5 and not one from the lowest end).

there is just no market for this kind of minipc.(u can buy a gaming netbook for the price, with a lot more power)

Don't let the Name i5 fool you, it's just a Dualcore with Hyperthreading just like the i3, the latter is only lacking any turbo boost. Also, that i5 only comes with a base clock of merely 1.3 Ghz due to the relatively powerful graphics core while the i3 with a weaker graphics part has a base clock of 1.7 Ghz (although without any turbo)

It's not hard to just put more hardware into a thing. But the price for this is just ridiculous. What makes it even worse is that the usecase for those kinds of PCs don't warrant high power. Nothing you will do with those will require an i5, probably not even an i3.

Duping people while falsely claiming innovation makes this one of the worst things.

 

Also I'm pretty sure an i3 already easily beats the PS4 CPU in gaming ;)

 

Really depends if the programm or game runs well on multiple cores. You can't simply compare Desktop i3s with those having the U Prefix, since quite some funtions had to be cut out to achieve such a low TDP. If the programm can make use of more than 4 cores the processor in the consoles should beat the i3.

And yeah, there is not much out there right now what can actually use the additional Power compared to Raspberry Pi or comarable Computer.



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generic-user-1 on 18 October 2014
vivster said:
generic-user-1 said:

the benchmark u linked is realy core heavy it seams, so its natural that the apus are a bit worse and intel duo cores a bit better.

u cant transfer this directly to gaming, so i maybe give the ps4 cpu to much credit.

im building a pc to beat the ps4 in price and power.  atm its not possible(even if u count in ps+ for a year), for the xbone its possible(u can build a full hd "gaming" pc for 450€)

It's definitely not possible to beat a console in price/performance. It might not even be possible to beat it at the end of its life. I mean the hardware is one thing but consider the form factor, assembly, OS, controller, maybe even a free game. All that adds to the value so if it's for price, PCs will never be able to beat consoles.

Good that they don't have to.

And don't forget that you need much stronger hardware than the console hardware to match the performance thanks to the low level API and optimized games.


u can get a pc that can beat the ps4 for 550-600. thats a bit more than the 450 for the ps4 (with ps+) im pretty sure its possible 2015.



daredevil.shark on 18 October 2014

After a little search I found intel NUC desktops which are much better than this kickstarter.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_nr_n_0?rh=n%3A172282%2Cn%3A!493964%2Cn%3A541966%2Cp_4%3AIntel%2Cn%3A565098&bbn=541966&ie=UTF8&qid=1413651560&rnid=541966



mysticwolf on 18 October 2014

Not exactly a new concept, but it looks pretty cool. It would be neat if you could one day hook up something like that to a tablet to use as video output.



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vivster on 18 October 2014
generic-user-1 said:
vivster said:
generic-user-1 said:

the benchmark u linked is realy core heavy it seams, so its natural that the apus are a bit worse and intel duo cores a bit better.

u cant transfer this directly to gaming, so i maybe give the ps4 cpu to much credit.

im building a pc to beat the ps4 in price and power.  atm its not possible(even if u count in ps+ for a year), for the xbone its possible(u can build a full hd "gaming" pc for 450€)

It's definitely not possible to beat a console in price/performance. It might not even be possible to beat it at the end of its life. I mean the hardware is one thing but consider the form factor, assembly, OS, controller, maybe even a free game. All that adds to the value so if it's for price, PCs will never be able to beat consoles.

Good that they don't have to.

And don't forget that you need much stronger hardware than the console hardware to match the performance thanks to the low level API and optimized games.


u can get a pc that can beat the ps4 for 550-600. thats a bit more than the 450 for the ps4 (with ps+) im pretty sure its possible 2015.

Just ignore the other things I said. Also we're not talking about used hardware. Pretty sure it will not possible to build a gaming PC with the same performance and features of the PS4 nxt year, and especially not after a price cut. You will always have some compromises.



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generic-user-1 on 18 October 2014
vivster said:
generic-user-1 said:
vivster said:
generic-user-1 said:

the benchmark u linked is realy core heavy it seams, so its natural that the apus are a bit worse and intel duo cores a bit better.

u cant transfer this directly to gaming, so i maybe give the ps4 cpu to much credit.

im building a pc to beat the ps4 in price and power.  atm its not possible(even if u count in ps+ for a year), for the xbone its possible(u can build a full hd "gaming" pc for 450€)

It's definitely not possible to beat a console in price/performance. It might not even be possible to beat it at the end of its life. I mean the hardware is one thing but consider the form factor, assembly, OS, controller, maybe even a free game. All that adds to the value so if it's for price, PCs will never be able to beat consoles.

Good that they don't have to.

And don't forget that you need much stronger hardware than the console hardware to match the performance thanks to the low level API and optimized games.


u can get a pc that can beat the ps4 for 550-600. thats a bit more than the 450 for the ps4 (with ps+) im pretty sure its possible 2015.

Just ignore the other things I said. Also we're not talking about used hardware. Pretty sure it will not possible to build a gaming PC with the same performance and features of the PS4 nxt year, and especially not after a price cut. You will always have some compromises.

the ps4 has a weak as hell cpu and a midrange gpu.  but yes, it will be hard after a price cut.



Nettles on 26 October 2014

I'm after a powerful PC in a smaller size but gamecube size would be better for me.I'm doubting this has anywhere near the level of customization i like, as in being able to switch out components for other parts etc.Not interested.



JEMC on 26 October 2014
Nettles said:
I'm after a powerful PC in a smaller size but gamecube size would be better for me.I'm doubting this has anywhere near the level of customization i like, as in being able to switch out components for other parts etc.Not interested.

You won't find a PC the size of a Gamecube that uses off the shelves parts.

Shoe box size? Sure: Cooler Master Elite 130, most if not all the "SUGO" family or Fortress Mini from SIlverstone, etc.



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Nettles on 26 October 2014

yeah, i came to the same conclusion after looking a few months ago.maybe in a few years eh



ArnoldRimmer on 26 October 2014

To me, this always seems like a failed attempt of Intel/Microsoft trying to reproduce/combat the success of Raspberry Pi and Linux. Probably aimed at people who envy the Raspberry Pi owners but are too afraid of having to deal with something else than the Windows OS they feel familiar with.

But I think it just doesn't work. The key to Raspberry Pi's success is having all the basic ingredients that a desktop PC has while being extremely cheap, extremely small, extremely low power consuming and completely silent.
This, however, seems to be quite the opposite: A ridiculously expensive board with a very noisy micro-sized fan.

Apart from being small and portable,what advantage does this board have? Nothing...