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SlayerRondo said:

That the thing about following what is essentialy an extension of a bronze age mythology, it contains many rules and passages that are contradictory to each other and loopholes through which these acts of violence are allowed and encouraged.

But you can hardly blame the people who wrote the Quran can you,given that they are only human.


Can you give an example from Quran about this. Only one.



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VXIII said:
SlayerRondo said:

That the thing about following what is essentialy an extension of a bronze age mythology, it contains many rules and passages that are contradictory to each other and loopholes through which these acts of violence are allowed and encouraged.

But you can hardly blame the people who wrote the Quran can you,given that they are only human.


Can you give an example from Quran about this. Only one.


http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

 

why do people keep defending this evil piece of shit... Would you defend the nazis? Keep justifying this evil religion and you become it. 



Kyuu said:
SlayerRondo said:
MohammadBadir said:

How are they taking their religion seriously when they aren't even following the basic rules of said religion?

That the thing about following what is essentialy an extension of a bronze age mythology, it contains many rules and passages that are contradictory to each other and loopholes through which these acts of violence are allowed and encouraged.

But you can hardly blame the people who wrote the Quran can you,given that they are only human.


Quite a difference between statements that contradict each others and statements that are deliberately taken out of context to give a darker meaning. Which is exactly what extremists do when criticizing the opposing religion/school of thought.

The main problem within islam (in my opinion) is that people take every Hadith (narrations attributed to Muhammad) too serouisly. A lot of Hadith are immediately contradictory with the Quran as well as with other Hadith even when a context is provided.

Out of curiosity, do you know anything about how these "Hadith" were compiled?

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"  No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.



Swiftly reading through the thread, the amount of misinformation and biased judgement are stunning.

This is an act of terrorism. Terrorism is a religion by itself. It exist even in the modern society one way or another. It is not about one group of people or certain religion. It is about the regional situation, culture, the historical frame. And yes, religion can be a part of it too.



VXIII said:

Swiftly reading through the thread, the amount of misinformation and biased judgement are stunning.

This is an act of terrorism. Terrorism is a religion by itself. It exist even in the modern society one way or another. It is not about one group of people or certain religion. It is about the regional situation, culture, the historical frame. And yes, religion can be a part of it too.

Nah, those who follow the quran are simply just the scum of the universe.. Probably the most digusting thing in the infinite universe. 

 

 

Quran (33:60-62) - "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while.  Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter."   This passage sanctions the slaughter (rendered "merciless" and "horrible murder" in other translations) against three groups: Hypocrites (Muslims who refuse to "fight in the way of Allah" (3:167) and hence don't act as Muslims should), those with "diseased hearts" (which include Jews and Christians 5:51-52), and "alarmists" or "agitators who include those who merely speak out against Islam, according to Muhammad's biographers.  It is worth noting that the victims are to be sought out by Muslims, which is what today's terrorists do.  If this passage is meant merely to apply to the city of Medina, then it is unclear why it is included in Allah's eternal word to Muslim generations.

 

Moderated,

-Mr Khan

 



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Panther111 said:

 

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"  No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

 

http://www.aboutjihad.com/terrorism/quran_misquote_part_4.php

It's quite easy to take the Quran out of context...



Kyuu said:

Quite a difference between statements that contradict each others and statements that are deliberately taken out of context to give a darker meaning. Which is exactly what extremists do when criticizing the opposing religion/school of thought.

Exactly!



Panther111 said:

 

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"  No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

 

- God is talking about an action on his behalf, this is not an order to people to "cast" the terror.

- Notice " into the hearts", meaning this is not about killing or beheading others, merely about the emotions.

- the original text in Arabic says " الذين كفروا", that doesn't mean " disbelievers", it is a refrence to the people who recognize the truth but refuse to accept it.

- This phase was said when there was a war, Muslims were slaughtered in their home Maka, that's why they immigrated to Al-Madina later. This has nothing to do with peaceful people.

:)



Panther111 said:

Nah, those who follow the quran are simply just the scum of the universe.. Probably the most digusting thing in the infinite universe. 

 

 

Quran (33:60-62) - "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while.  Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter."   This passage sanctions the slaughter (rendered "merciless" and "horrible murder" in other translations) against three groups: Hypocrites (Muslims who refuse to "fight in the way of Allah" (3:167) and hence don't act as Muslims should), those with "diseased hearts" (which include Jews and Christians 5:51-52), and "alarmists" or "agitators who include those who merely speak out against Islam, according to Muhammad's biographers.  It is worth noting that the victims are to be sought out by Muslims, which is what today's terrorists do.  If this passage is meant merely to apply to the city of Medina, then it is unclear why it is included in Allah's eternal word to Muslim generations.

 

 

No need to be rude. I assure you I'm not a scum

I'll read the rest later.



Islam, the religion of peace... What a total joke!