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generic-user-1 on 03 June 2014

i dont think so, MK will beast in every moth it comes out, 3d world on the other side needed the holyday boost.



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POE on 03 June 2014

Nope. They would have wasted Mario Kart 8 agains the enormous PS4/Xbone launch hype.



axt113 on 04 June 2014
Twilord said:
axt113 said:
Twilord said:
axt113 said:
It was not the best game, reviews don't decide success, sales and profitability do, if it had been the best game, Nintendo would not be reporting a loss for the last fiscal year


As a designer I'm gonna tell you an important adage that you can take with you:

"Success does demand quality, but quality does not demand success."

 

From a quality angle it was quite possible the best game of the last year, from a success angle you're completely right.


Books are touted as best selling, not best reviewed.

 

Without sales or profitability, you cannot define best, it is the consumers who have all the power, not the reviewers or the fanbois


If you use sales and profitablity as benchmarks of what is best then works like Okami suck while ones like Twilight and Justin Bieber Albums are among the best things ever. While that is financially true, and fascinating, it doesn't mean much.

 

[[[I realize it is true that Justin Bieber as a character was arguably high-quality (his music wasn't, but props to his character desigers for how well they worked it prior to his complete failure as an entity - they may want to pay closer attention to their raw materials next time) and that Twilight was effectively high quality as romance porn despite its countless literary failings.]]]


Neither Twilight nor Justin Beiber are among the most successful products in their respective genres, far more artists have sold far more albums than Beiber, far more movies have been more successful than Twilight movies and far more books have sold more than the novels (and when one takes into account inflation of the dollar, the money made by others has been higher as well), so don't worry, those products are not the best.  In Music for example, that title goes to people such as Elvis, the Beatles and Jackson (and no one can honestly deny that they deserve such accolades)

 

 

 



Rumors indicate that it is planning on following the first approach, sticking a new, motion-sensitive controller onto an existing console. Our perspective is that this is the worst of the three options.

-Clayton Christensen back in 2007 already knew Move would be a bad idea

axt113 on 04 June 2014
NinjaBlade360 said:
axt113 said:


Mediocre sales, didn't move consoles, didn't give the Wii U any momentum, wasted resources that could have gone into making other better games (or improving other games) that would have sold systems.

 

Yeah, sounds pretty disappointing

first of mediocre sales its solde over 2M on a console that only sold 6.2M about a 30% attach rate i dont know what eles you want from that game also we don't know how long the momentum for MK8 will last i mean since super mario 3d world came out there hanst been much eles on the wiiu till MK8 i highly dought that if you switch there places wiiu would be doing any better.

 

also since you seem to have the answers what elese could they have made to help sales


Here's the thing, it still sold less than NSMB U, a game that was phoned in.

 

Nintendo needs to stop rehashing bad Ideas like the GBA-GCN link that became the basis for the Wii U and the virtua boy which became the basis for the 3DS.

Instead it needs to look to what made the NES, Wii, Game Boy and original DS so successful when designing its next hardware.

 

On the gaming side Nintendo should look to both the past, the old school style games on the NES, SNES and Genesis to see what made those games so iconic and it needs to look at what developers like its own in house studio Retro does and what developers such as Rocksteady do (The Arkham games are how Zelda should be and the Prime series was probably the best iteration of Metroid ever).  It needs to focus on building rich worlds to explore and fun gaming that makes makes you excited.  Zelda should not be about puzzles, it should be ablout exploration and killing enemies, same with Metroid.  While NSMB was nice, all that extra effort they put into the 3D Mario's was missing, where was the great music and the creative and rich worlds for mario to run around in and with all the characters in the Mario universe we had to play 2 toads, WTF?!?!



Rumors indicate that it is planning on following the first approach, sticking a new, motion-sensitive controller onto an existing console. Our perspective is that this is the worst of the three options.

-Clayton Christensen back in 2007 already knew Move would be a bad idea

ChrnoTodd on 04 June 2014
axt113 said:
Twilord said:
axt113 said:
Twilord said:
axt113 said:
It was not the best game, reviews don't decide success, sales and profitability do, if it had been the best game, Nintendo would not be reporting a loss for the last fiscal year


As a designer I'm gonna tell you an important adage that you can take with you:

"Success does demand quality, but quality does not demand success."

 

From a quality angle it was quite possible the best game of the last year, from a success angle you're completely right.


Books are touted as best selling, not best reviewed.

 

Without sales or profitability, you cannot define best, it is the consumers who have all the power, not the reviewers or the fanbois


If you use sales and profitablity as benchmarks of what is best then works like Okami suck while ones like Twilight and Justin Bieber Albums are among the best things ever. While that is financially true, and fascinating, it doesn't mean much.

 

[[[I realize it is true that Justin Bieber as a character was arguably high-quality (his music wasn't, but props to his character desigers for how well they worked it prior to his complete failure as an entity - they may want to pay closer attention to their raw materials next time) and that Twilight was effectively high quality as romance porn despite its countless literary failings.]]]


Neither Twilight nor Justin Beiber are among the most successful products in their respective genres, far more artists have sold far more albums than Beiber, far more movies have been more successful than Twilight movies and far more books have sold more than the novels (and when one takes into account inflation of the dollar, the money made by others has been higher as well), so don't worry, those products are not the best.  In Music for example, that title goes to people such as Elvis, the Beatles and Jackson (and no one can honestly deny that they deserve such accolades)

 

 

 


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum



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Experimental42 on 04 June 2014

How big a brick would be shat by the world if Nintendo announced a new Metroid Prime at E3?

It seems pretty stupid to me that it hasn't been done yet. The game could make great use of the game pad with scan logs and visors.



NinjaBlade360 on 04 June 2014
axt113 said:
NinjaBlade360 said:
axt113 said:


Mediocre sales, didn't move consoles, didn't give the Wii U any momentum, wasted resources that could have gone into making other better games (or improving other games) that would have sold systems.

 

Yeah, sounds pretty disappointing

first of mediocre sales its solde over 2M on a console that only sold 6.2M about a 30% attach rate i dont know what eles you want from that game also we don't know how long the momentum for MK8 will last i mean since super mario 3d world came out there hanst been much eles on the wiiu till MK8 i highly dought that if you switch there places wiiu would be doing any better.

 

also since you seem to have the answers what elese could they have made to help sales


Here's the thing, it still sold less than NSMB U, a game that was phoned in.

 

Nintendo needs to stop rehashing bad Ideas like the GBA-GCN link that became the basis for the Wii U and the virtua boy which became the basis for the 3DS.

Instead it needs to look to what made the NES, Wii, Game Boy and original DS so successful when designing its next hardware.

 

On the gaming side Nintendo should look to both the past, the old school style games on the NES, SNES and Genesis to see what made those games so iconic and it needs to look at what developers like its own in house studio Retro does and what developers such as Rocksteady do (The Arkham games are how Zelda should be and the Prime series was probably the best iteration of Metroid ever).  It needs to focus on building rich worlds to explore and fun gaming that makes makes you excited.  Zelda should not be about puzzles, it should be ablout exploration and killing enemies, same with Metroid.  While NSMB was nice, all that extra effort they put into the 3D Mario's was missing, where was the great music and the creative and rich worlds for mario to run around in and with all the characters in the Mario universe we had to play 2 toads, WTF?!?!

also first off i want to say sorry the last line in my message really comes like im a a** i didn't mean it like that.

 

if you align the lunches 3d world has done better and its kind of hard to out sell a game that packaged with the sytem and theres the fact that 2d mario sells better than 3d mario or are the galaxy games bad ??

 

i agree with some of your points like bigger worls having 2 toads etc. i disagree with some (Metroid Fusion is imo the best metroid game) zelda for me is at its best when they dont tell you what to do and you have to figure it out ( Link to the past the orignal) and it wouldnt be a zelda game with out puzzels might as well make a new IP and i like NSMB ds and wii they are fun games that really didnt do any thing out of the box but were soild games 



Never on 04 June 2014

No. Nintendo hadn't started doing good job with their marketing back then. They would have damaged the impact of mario kart. As a launch game, however, it would have been great.



axt113 on 04 June 2014
NinjaBlade360 said:
axt113 said:
NinjaBlade360 said:
axt113 said:


Mediocre sales, didn't move consoles, didn't give the Wii U any momentum, wasted resources that could have gone into making other better games (or improving other games) that would have sold systems.

 

Yeah, sounds pretty disappointing

first of mediocre sales its solde over 2M on a console that only sold 6.2M about a 30% attach rate i dont know what eles you want from that game also we don't know how long the momentum for MK8 will last i mean since super mario 3d world came out there hanst been much eles on the wiiu till MK8 i highly dought that if you switch there places wiiu would be doing any better.

 

also since you seem to have the answers what elese could they have made to help sales


Here's the thing, it still sold less than NSMB U, a game that was phoned in.

 

Nintendo needs to stop rehashing bad Ideas like the GBA-GCN link that became the basis for the Wii U and the virtua boy which became the basis for the 3DS.

Instead it needs to look to what made the NES, Wii, Game Boy and original DS so successful when designing its next hardware.

 

On the gaming side Nintendo should look to both the past, the old school style games on the NES, SNES and Genesis to see what made those games so iconic and it needs to look at what developers like its own in house studio Retro does and what developers such as Rocksteady do (The Arkham games are how Zelda should be and the Prime series was probably the best iteration of Metroid ever).  It needs to focus on building rich worlds to explore and fun gaming that makes makes you excited.  Zelda should not be about puzzles, it should be ablout exploration and killing enemies, same with Metroid.  While NSMB was nice, all that extra effort they put into the 3D Mario's was missing, where was the great music and the creative and rich worlds for mario to run around in and with all the characters in the Mario universe we had to play 2 toads, WTF?!?!

also first off i want to say sorry the last line in my message really comes like im a a** i didn't mean it like that.

 

if you align the lunches 3d world has done better and its kind of hard to out sell a game that packaged with the sytem and theres the fact that 2d mario sells better than 3d mario or are the galaxy games bad ??

 

i agree with some of your points like bigger worls having 2 toads etc. i disagree with some (Metroid Fusion is imo the best metroid game) zelda for me is at its best when they dont tell you what to do and you have to figure it out ( Link to the past the orignal) and it wouldnt be a zelda game with out puzzels might as well make a new IP and i like NSMB ds and wii they are fun games that really didnt do any thing out of the box but were soild games


The galaxy games were not good either, They didn't move consoles, yet we know that NSMB Wii sold systems.

NSMB U may have been bundled in limited quantity, but 3D land didn't move consoles at all, in spite of all the hoopla and effort put behind it

Early Zelda had mazes not puzzles

Fusion was not much of a seller



Rumors indicate that it is planning on following the first approach, sticking a new, motion-sensitive controller onto an existing console. Our perspective is that this is the worst of the three options.

-Clayton Christensen back in 2007 already knew Move would be a bad idea

axt113 on 04 June 2014
ChrnoTodd said:
 


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum


People vote their reviews of games by their pocketbooks

 

Websites have reviewers, but consumers make their reviews when they shell out their hard earned cash.

 

Its not an appeal to the masses, its just a point of fact that consumers note their preferences through purchases



Rumors indicate that it is planning on following the first approach, sticking a new, motion-sensitive controller onto an existing console. Our perspective is that this is the worst of the three options.

-Clayton Christensen back in 2007 already knew Move would be a bad idea