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Aura7541 said:
TheDrill said:
riecsou said:

So are you saying that 55% of 6.3 Millions is close to 45% of 6.3 Millions?

And it needs 15k more weekly to reaches it soon? Now I wonder what percentage 15k represent out of 6.3 Millions. Using simple math logic 15K only represent 0.2% of 6.3 Millions. You are the one with the master degree, maybe you can make more sense out of those numbers.

And what happened to the easy calculation of the gap percentage?? That should be easy for you to compute !!

If you are having trouble getting the gap percentage, I will post it later for you


When I have originally made my prediction it was the case, I will adjust it further after the first 2 or 3 weeks of seeing X1 numbers after the price cut.

55 % is by far no domination from PS4, and is easily reversable especially this early in the generation.

And once again, you glance over other people's posts who already have debunked your so-called arguments, like this one: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6374595

Debunked my arguments? By trying to somehow twist into saying that 45 % is not  close to 55 % ?

This is amusing, because it's clear that X1 is very close to PS4 in USA, and it's by far a single-sided domination as you point it or like to point it to be.

 



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TheDrill said:
Aura7541 said:
TheDrill said:
riecsou said:

So are you saying that 55% of 6.3 Millions is close to 45% of 6.3 Millions?

And it needs 15k more weekly to reaches it soon? Now I wonder what percentage 15k represent out of 6.3 Millions. Using simple math logic 15K only represent 0.2% of 6.3 Millions. You are the one with the master degree, maybe you can make more sense out of those numbers.

And what happened to the easy calculation of the gap percentage?? That should be easy for you to compute !!

If you are having trouble getting the gap percentage, I will post it later for you


When I have originally made my prediction it was the case, I will adjust it further after the first 2 or 3 weeks of seeing X1 numbers after the price cut.

55 % is by far no domination from PS4, and is easily reversable especially this early in the generation.

And once again, you glance over other people's posts who already have debunked your so-called arguments, like this one: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6374595

Debunked my arguments? By trying to somehow twist into saying that 45 % is not  close to 55 % ?

This is amusing, because it's clear that X1 is very close to PS4 in USA, and it's by far a single-sided domination as you point it or like to point it to be.

 

No, it's not close at all. Like I said, percentages are scalar quantities, not definitive quantities. 45% and 55% could be 45 and 55, or 45 billion and 55 billion. 10 isn't that much, but 10 billion is. It's ironic when you keep thumping your chest that you did your math, but in actuality, you're just trying to spin a negative outlook into an impossibly good situation for the X1.

As said before, we're potentially seeing a 600-700k gap. For the X1 to outsell the PS4 this year, it need to sell at least 25k more a week. That is not possible because the PS4 has the mindshare of the consumers and has the better games. Destiny is a pseudo-exclusive for the PS4 because Sony has exclusive advertising rights to the IP. Look what happened with Watch Dogs. Look what happened with the multiplats before that like MGS: Ground Zeroes, Tomb Raider, and Wolfenstein. The PS4 versions always sell substantially better. Driveclub is coming up. Other games like Samurai Warriors 4, Guilty Gears, Warrors Orochi 3, and more are coming later this year.

Repeating "X1 is very close" a quadrillion times won't make your arguments right. After how many weeks, you still haven't provided a single piece of persuasive evidence.

EDIT: PS4 is at #5 and X1 is at #72 in Amazon. In Gamestop, PS4 is at #48 and X1 is at #90 in Gamestop. Looks like chances for the X1 to outsell the PS4 this month are very slim. If it can't outsell the PS4 this month, it is impossible for the X1 outsell the PS4 for any of the remainder months.



TheDrill said:
Aura7541 said:
TheDrill said:
riecsou said:

So are you saying that 55% of 6.3 Millions is close to 45% of 6.3 Millions?

And it needs 15k more weekly to reaches it soon? Now I wonder what percentage 15k represent out of 6.3 Millions. Using simple math logic 15K only represent 0.2% of 6.3 Millions. You are the one with the master degree, maybe you can make more sense out of those numbers.

And what happened to the easy calculation of the gap percentage?? That should be easy for you to compute !!

If you are having trouble getting the gap percentage, I will post it later for you


When I have originally made my prediction it was the case, I will adjust it further after the first 2 or 3 weeks of seeing X1 numbers after the price cut.

55 % is by far no domination from PS4, and is easily reversable especially this early in the generation.

And once again, you glance over other people's posts who already have debunked your so-called arguments, like this one: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6374595

Debunked my arguments? By trying to somehow twist into saying that 45 % is not  close to 55 % ?

This is amusing, because it's clear that X1 is very close to PS4 in USA, and it's by far a single-sided domination as you point it or like to point it to be.

 


Not sure you under stand what the term relative means. example. Susie buys a hot doy and hast to pay 45% in taxes she paid $1.00 for the hotdog the tax would be .45. OK lets look at it another way Susie wins the lotto and has to pay 45% in taxes Susies winning were $1,000,000 she pays $450,000 in taxes. Common man you have to understand this if your just choosing to ignore whats in front of you. The XBOX1 will NOT near the sales of the PS4 in the USA for a long time if ever. As many have already proven with various trend analyisis your arguing for something that has very very little chance of happening.

 

Edit. Just for refrence the Wii had 55% market vs the PS3 45% however the gap is 20M really close huh?



TheDrill said:
Aura7541 said:
 

And once again, you glance over other people's posts who already have debunked your so-called arguments, like this one: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6374595

Debunked my arguments? By trying to somehow twist into saying that 45 % is not  close to 55 % ?

This is amusing, because it's clear that X1 is very close to PS4 in USA, and it's by far a single-sided domination as you point it or like to point it to be.

 


do you ever wonder why even the more die hard xb1 fans on the site dont even come to your defense?    You have been debunked by dozens, and you just choose to not reply to them after they proved you to be not just wrong, but completely out to lunch.   chances are you wont even reply to this.

the xb1 needs to double its average weekly sales in order to just stop the bleeding.   until then, the gap is 600k units and growing.   You cant jsut look at total percentages because the launches for both skew things(plus percentages are scaler, as others have pointed out.).   you dont get to launch twice. 



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Aura7541 said:
TheDrill said:
Aura7541 said:
TheDrill said:
riecsou said:

So are you saying that 55% of 6.3 Millions is close to 45% of 6.3 Millions?

And it needs 15k more weekly to reaches it soon? Now I wonder what percentage 15k represent out of 6.3 Millions. Using simple math logic 15K only represent 0.2% of 6.3 Millions. You are the one with the master degree, maybe you can make more sense out of those numbers.

And what happened to the easy calculation of the gap percentage?? That should be easy for you to compute !!

If you are having trouble getting the gap percentage, I will post it later for you


When I have originally made my prediction it was the case, I will adjust it further after the first 2 or 3 weeks of seeing X1 numbers after the price cut.

55 % is by far no domination from PS4, and is easily reversable especially this early in the generation.

And once again, you glance over other people's posts who already have debunked your so-called arguments, like this one: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6374595

Debunked my arguments? By trying to somehow twist into saying that 45 % is not  close to 55 % ?

This is amusing, because it's clear that X1 is very close to PS4 in USA, and it's by far a single-sided domination as you point it or like to point it to be.

 

No, it's not close at all. Like I said, percentages are scalar quantities, not definitive quantities. 45% and 55% could be 45 and 55, or 45 billion and 55 billion. 10 isn't that much, but 10 billion is. It's ironic when you keep thumping your chest that you did your math, but in actuality, you're just trying to spin a negative outlook into an impossibly good situation for the X1.

As said before, we're potentially seeing a 600-700k gap. For the X1 to outsell the PS4 this year, it need to sell at least 25k more a week. That is not possible because the PS4 has the mindshare of the consumers and has the better games. Destiny is a pseudo-exclusive for the PS4 because Sony has exclusive advertising rights to the IP. Look what happened with Watch Dogs. Look what happened with the multiplats before that like MGS: Ground Zeroes, Tomb Raider, and Wolfenstein. The PS4 versions always sell substantially better. Driveclub is coming up. Other games like Samurai Warriors 4, Guilty Gears, Warrors Orochi 3, and more are coming later this year.

Repeating "X1 is very close" a quadrillion times won't make your arguments right. After how many weeks, you still haven't provided a single piece of persuasive evidence.

I know what percentage represents, but what you fail to understand is that 45 % is still close to 55 % regardless of the quantity it repsents, that's what percent are used for, not to represent an actual number quantity.

1 % can represent a small or humongous quantity, but it's undeniable that it also represents 1/100.

Hence 45 % can represent as you have said 45 or 45 * 10 ^6, but the truth is still that 45 % is close to 55 % regardless of the actual difference between them, it's the percentage difference that matters.

If during all this generation X1 maintains close to 45 % marketshare, nobody can claim that PS4 dominated US, it will always remain a close battle.



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2008ProchargedGT said:

Not sure you under stand what the term relative means. example. Susie buys a hot doy and hast to pay 45% in taxes she paid $1.00 for the hotdog the tax would be .45. OK lets look at it another way Susie wins the lotto and has to pay 45% in taxes Susies winning were $1,000,000 she pays $450,000 in taxes. Common man you have to understand this if your just choosing to ignore whats in front of you. The XBOX1 will NOT near the sales of the PS4 in the USA for a long time if ever. As many have already proven with various trend analyisis your arguing for something that has very very little chance of happening.

That is what I've been trying to tell TheDrill for the past.... I don't even know anymore. He just won't read.



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TheDrill said:
Aura7541 said:

No, it's not close at all. Like I said, percentages are scalar quantities, not definitive quantities. 45% and 55% could be 45 and 55, or 45 billion and 55 billion. 10 isn't that much, but 10 billion is. It's ironic when you keep thumping your chest that you did your math, but in actuality, you're just trying to spin a negative outlook into an impossibly good situation for the X1.

As said before, we're potentially seeing a 600-700k gap. For the X1 to outsell the PS4 this year, it need to sell at least 25k more a week. That is not possible because the PS4 has the mindshare of the consumers and has the better games. Destiny is a pseudo-exclusive for the PS4 because Sony has exclusive advertising rights to the IP. Look what happened with Watch Dogs. Look what happened with the multiplats before that like MGS: Ground Zeroes, Tomb Raider, and Wolfenstein. The PS4 versions always sell substantially better. Driveclub is coming up. Other games like Samurai Warriors 4, Guilty Gears, Warrors Orochi 3, and more are coming later this year.

Repeating "X1 is very close" a quadrillion times won't make your arguments right. After how many weeks, you still haven't provided a single piece of persuasive evidence.

I know what percentage represents, but what you fail to understand is that 45 % is still close to 55 % regardless of the quantity it repsents, that's what percent are used for, not to represent an actual number quantity.

1 % can represent a small or humongous quantity, but it's undeniable that it also represents 1/100.

Hence 45 % can represent as you have said 45 or 45 * 10 ^6, but the truth is still that 45 % is close to 55 % regardless of the actual difference between them, it's the percentage difference that matters.

If during all this generation X1 maintains close to 45 % marketshare, nobody can claim that PS4 dominated US, it will always remain a close battle.

No, the actual numbers are what matters, not the percentage. When reports of a system getting an X% boost in sales, people are rightly skeptical of the figure because it can mean very different things. Despite a high percentage, the initial sales of said product could be low to the point that the increased amount of sales is small. Same thing applies to marketshare.

Let's say 3 years later, PS4 is at 55 million and X1 is at 45 million. That's a 10 million gap. The amount of time for the X1 to overcome that gap will take longer than overcoming a 600k gap. Let's say MS wants to overcome that 10 million gap in a year. They need to outsell the PS4 by 833,333 units a month versus 50,000 a month if they want to outsell the PS4 if the gap is 600k. That is a 1666.66% difference!!

PS4 is growing its lead and it's impossible for the X1 to catch up. PS4 has the advantage in terms of specs, networking, reputation, multiplats, exclusives, genre diversity, and value. For you to deny this is absolutely silly.



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TheDrill said:

I know what percentage represents, but what you fail to understand is that 45 % is still close to 55 % regardless of the quantity it repsents, that's what percent are used for, not to represent an actual number quantity.

1 % can represent a small or humongous quantity, but it's undeniable that it also represents 1/100.

Hence 45 % can represent as you have said 45 or 45 * 10 ^6, but the truth is still that 45 % is close to 55 % regardless of the actual difference between them, it's the percentage difference that matters.

If during all this generation X1 maintains close to 45 % marketshare, nobody can claim that PS4 dominated US, it will always remain a close battle.

I had made a point of not responding in this thread any more... but I can't help but use my Maths major to good use here.

I'm going to assume 55%:45% is a correct ratio of the marketshare like you have. Regardless of how many total console sales there are, this can be used to determine the 13% (and previously 10%) difference you quoted. (55-45) / 55 * 100 is a little over 18%.

As you rightly say, 45% can represent 45 * 10^6. But even using the respective figures of (55*10^6 - 45*10^6) / 55*10^6 * 100 is over 18%. And 18% isn't close. Not even in the ball park.