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the2real4mafol said:

I'm suprised the European governments don't say more against it, but they are probably collabratists. That would be just disgusting but it's probably about right. They never do what the people say and yet they have the cheek to call themselves democratic states. 

No respect for human rights or any constitution. Privacy is a big thing, we would be drones or slaves without it. You can't measure it but you it's sure not nice to have it breached. 

Europeon governments don't say more about it because it's not controversial for most of them.  

I mean if we're talking about the UK.  The government can pretty much phonetap anyone they want.   All you need to tap a phone line is permission from the Home Secretary.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1576937/Phones-tapped-at-the-rate-of-1000-a-day.html

Plus you know...

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/16724526-gchq-watches-your-webcam

 

Well that and because they're using it to their advantage.

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jan/22/ee-o2-vodafone-three-challenge-government-nsa-gchq-text-messages

 

The only really exceptional things about the NSA spying is the USA's fanciest tech, and the fact that the USA vaues privacy enough for a leak to actally occur.



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My black great uncle does this very thing in GA. He grazes his cows on land owned by the government. I wonder if he decides to quit paying the fine and draws guns to protect himself, all the while being backed by shirtless black guys, will Fox News cover this in the same light?



Kasz216 said:
the2real4mafol said:

I'm suprised the European governments don't say more against it, but they are probably collabratists. That would be just disgusting but it's probably about right. They never do what the people say and yet they have the cheek to call themselves democratic states. 

No respect for human rights or any constitution. Privacy is a big thing, we would be drones or slaves without it. You can't measure it but you it's sure not nice to have it breached. 

Europeon governments don't say more about it because it's not controversial for most of them.  

I mean if we're talking about the UK.  The government can pretty much phonetap anyone they want.   All you need to tap a phone line is permission from the Home Secretary.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1576937/Phones-tapped-at-the-rate-of-1000-a-day.html

Plus you know...

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/16724526-gchq-watches-your-webcam

 

Well that and because they're using it to their advantage.

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jan/22/ee-o2-vodafone-three-challenge-government-nsa-gchq-text-messages

 

The only really exceptional things about the NSA spying is the USA's fanciest tech, and the fact that the USA vaues privacy enough for a leak to actally occur.

I fail to understand what makes them think they have the right to (I guess just because they can) but it's just disgusting and such a waste of taxpayers money. Transparency my arse! Everyone should just refuse to pay taxes until the governments shut these damn things down/ They sure aren't doing this to 'protect us' and nor would I want these creeps to either 



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“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, “and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids – and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch – they didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do.

“And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”

Oops.



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wow well that took a racist turn... havent heard that much blatant racism, that wasnt just internet trolling, in a while.



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DD_Bwest said:
wow well that took a racist turn... havent heard that much blatant racism, that wasnt just internet trolling, in a while.


Although fairly irrelevent.  Noone actually argued he was a nice guy.

It's more or less just a move to shake away polticial support for an idea that's been gaining traction before people even knew about bundy.

http://endfedaddiction.org/legal-case-utahs-transfer-public-lands-act/

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865601377/Western-states-to-feds-Turn-over-public-lands.html



Mr Khan said:

So how Bundy's Ranch events are going on right now? Have people won? Judging by the video they did, but is there's any legal closure on this?

 

3:15 Go back to Washington, go back to China! :D

I've read somewhere that the reason of feds' big interest in the Bundy's Ranch is they want to sell it to Chinese? Is that true in any way?



mai said:
Mr Khan said:

So how Bundy's Ranch events are going on right now? Have people won? Judging by the video they did, but is there's any legal closure on this?

 

3:15 Go back to Washington, go back to China! :D

I've read somewhere that the reason of feds' big interest in the Bundy's Ranch is they want to sell it to Chinese? Is that true in any way?

The image i posted was a joke which you might not get (or might, if the rumors about Russia getting America's old sitcoms on TV are true), based on a TV character with the last name of Bundy.

As for the case in question, the BLM Officers have backed off their efforts to seize his cattle for the moment, but the government's not just going to let this guy get his way. There's all sorts of stuff they could do, though, like place a tax lien against his cattle making any proceeds from sale of the cattle go straight into the government's coffers (taking away the money the cattle could earn without having to physically take the cattle).

It would be better for all involved if they solved this peacefully, especially for the wives of the militiamen, as the militiamen apparently wanted to use them as meat shields?

Patriotism at work, folks.



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Mr Khan said:

The image i posted was a joke which you might not get (or might, if the rumors about Russia getting America's old sitcoms on TV are true), based on a TV character with the last name of Bundy.

As for the case in question, the BLM Officers have backed off their efforts to seize his cattle for the moment, but the government's not just going to let this guy get his way. There's all sorts of stuff they could do, though, like place a tax lien against his cattle making any proceeds from sale of the cattle go straight into the government's coffers (taking away the money the cattle could earn without having to physically take the cattle).

It would be better for all involved if they solved this peacefully, especially for the wives of the militiamen, as the militiamen apparently wanted to use them as meat shields?

Patriotism at work, folks.


I am curious if you have read Bundy's unededited qoute. After reading the full qoute I respect this man even more. he isn't a racist, but someone who has worked with and around people.

 

The BLM has not backed off from what I know, Haven't been reading too much on it though. Harry Reid has stated that he will get that land. The BLM is also possibly trying to take some land in Texas, good luck there. I was glad that western states already had a meeting planned to discuss this before it all happened. Hopefully these events will spure themn to action and get them to take control of land that is with in their state.