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What is his end state

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mai said:
fighter said:
Valéri Bolotov, Igor Strelkov, and other self-proclaimed russian leaders are giving up !!


The "final push" of Ukraine seems to be a clear victory !!!

A few more weeks and eastern ukrainians should be able to go back to a temporary normal life (before russians try to get their revenge by cutting gas supply).

Hold that thought. I'll remind you in a few months, would like to see you understanding of "clear victory" ;) My prediction -- sudden loss of interest to the subject, pretty much like with MH17.


"sudden loss of interest to the subject"

ok, let's see in a few months

The reason why i believe there will be enough interest is that there is no way eastern europe, EU members, NATO, and US will trust russia again.

Russia went too far this time.



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fighter said:

The reason why i believe there will be enough interest is that there is no way eastern europe, EU members, NATO, and US will trust russia again.

Russia went too far this time.

Do not shift your personal issues onto Easter Europe, EU, NATO or the US. Situation has nothing to do with trust or mistrust even if we assume your position "all blame Russia" is the only right explanation.



Brain drain is a powerful weapon :


"Russia’s official statistics service, Rosstat, states that 186,382 Russians left the country in 2013 and 122,751 in 2012. These numbers represent a significant increase over the 36,774 that left in 2011 and the 33,578 in 2010. Furthermore, some experts doubt the veracity of Rosstat’s numbers, alleging that the actual numbers could be much higher."



http://thediplomat.com/2014/07/russian-emigration-spikes-in-2013-2014/



Ukraine condemns 'direct invasion' by Russian aid convoy

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/22/russian-convoy-crosses-border-ukraine-without-permission

"While 34 trucks were checked by Ukrainian and Russian officials on Thursday, the rest of the convoy had reportedly not been inspected by the Ukrainian side. Ukraine's military said 90 trucks that had not been checked by either side had been moving across the border on Friday."



Faithful to tradition :D

Prisoners of war parade in Moscow. July, 1944.

70 years since. Prisoners of war parade in Donetsk. August, 2014.

"Fascicts, fascicts..."



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Isn't the Prisoners of war parade a violation against the geneva convention?

Oh, and what exaclty is fascist about Ukraine and the west?



PDF said:
So what do you guys think about Russian troops now clearly in Ukraine?

I think you should pay less attention to the Ukrainian media being retranslated to your part of the world. Again no regular troops on the ground.



PDF said:
mai said:
PDF said:
So what do you guys think about Russian troops now clearly in Ukraine?

I think you should pay less attention to the Ukrainian media being retranslated to your part of the world. Again no regular troops on the ground.

I think you are denial if you beleive there are not Russian troops in Ukraine.  http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/08/29/nato-satellite-photos-of-russian-troops-in-ukraine-they-turned-out-to-be-images-from-video-games-lavrov-says/

Even the Rebel leader Zakharchenko admits to the Russian soldiers, he just says there on vacation time.  Though thats a pretty weak justification.

a) Zakharchenko never said anything about regular troops afaik, he said 4000 volunteers from Russia have joined Novorossia armed forces since the beginning. Can't confirm or deny actual number, seems like overestimation to me, but not by a whole lot.

b) Don't you think I'm aware about this sattelite image since I'm kinda following events? Some unidentified military convoy moving somewhere at unidentified location. What this suppose to prove? Russian military presence? How so? May I have photos from the ground akin to Crimenian operation, which btw I immediately recoginsed as "silent invasion" (you may find my quote on this forum if you want).

The fact that militants have been receiving certain amount of military equipment since (my estimation) mid-May from another side of the border is Pulcinella's secret commonly referred as "voentorg supply" (following Putin's statement after "polite people" specops in Crimea), not thanks to Ukrainian side, DoS or NATO statements like infamous "all bearder men are GRU operatives" and similar BS. But we're talking about regular tropps, aren't we?



The real reason behind recent media push for Russian invasion is this.

Situation on the frontline in the beginning of the month. Third and eventually failed attempt to separate Donetsk and Lugansk.

And now. It probably represent more of a wishful thinking here and there rather than real situation, but the fact is indeed true -- south front has collapsed in a mere days. Novorossia armed forces managed to surround two major groups of Ukrainians and various so called "territorial battalions" (paramiltary, volunteers, neo-Nazis, ultras etc.) depicted below and almost finished encircling major sea port of Mariuopol.

Of course, how could it be without Russian regular forces to my recollection for 4th (or 5th?) time invading Ukraine in last five months :D

BTW even thought it's useless talking to a banned user and far from victory situation for rebels, but fighter's prediction about near victory situation for Ukrainian army just fell flat.



Sharu said:
Nem said:
 


Did you miss the part where the russian president fled from the country? Yes, there is plenty wrong with the russian parliament. Its a scham. The elections are fixed aswell, so nope. Its still a dictatorship in practice. It just tries to look like its not, and badly at that.

So much shit that isn't even funny! )))
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=179695
Come here please, we can speak! )


No well educated person on the subject considers Russia a democracy. 

Putin is not the destroyer of Russian "democracy", we must look elsewhere for that, he's just the putrefaction that spreads after death, the outward and visable sign of its presence.