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What is his end state

Annex Ukraine As a whole 337 40.60%
 
Annex Crimea 286 34.46%
 
Defend Russian People Fro... 184 22.17%
 
Total:807

Euronews reports:

The cause of an explosion which ripped through an administrative building in the centre of Luhansk has led to bitter recriminations. An official said seven people were killed.

Pro-Russian groups claim it was the result of an air attack. Kyiv denies the military was involved and suggested separatists mishandled a portable anti-aircraft missile which exploded into the side of the building.

http://www.euronews.com/2014/06/03/ukraine-military-launches-offensive-in-luhansk/

CNN reports:

Meanwhile, seven people were killed Monday by an explosion at the regional government building in Luhansk, health officials said.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/06/02/world/europe/ukraine-crisis/index.html?hpt=wo_bn9

Am I missing here smth or Euronews and CNN both lack the biggest part of the story here?



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^Thankfully Tyler comes to the rescue.

Earlier today we reported that even as the western media blackout of events in Ukraine gets more black, the ongoing civil war is getting ever more uncivil, following a Ukraine fighter jet attack on the east Ukraine town of Lugansk, in which it struck not only the local administration building, but a neighboring area, resulting in numerous civilian casualties and injuries. Kiev was quick to deny that it was using its airforce on its own people, claiming instead that the explosion quite clearly caught on tape was merely locals trying to unsuccessfully shoot at the fighter jet.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-02/deadly-ukraine-figher-jet-bombing-caught-tape



Hey, guys, for over a month Ukraine military bombs towns on the east of Ukraine. But Western media is totally quiet about it. Why?????



Wow, what happened to CNN?? 



18.07.14. Growing tensions lead to a World War

A major fist fight broke out between Russian and Ukrainian tourists at one of the popular Turkish resorts in Kemer. As reported by the witnesses: "situation was calm, but after a few drinks a group of Kiev residents started to chant "Hang the Russian!". Nazi slogans has raised some concerns within neighbouring groups of tourists from St. Petersburg, who tried to calm nationalists down, but that only gave the opposite effect. As a result Ukrainians have been beaten.

"There was fist fighting up the ass. People were fighting with chaise longues and chairs, somobody was trying to drown someone in the pool. There was a lot of police cars around the place" -- as reported by one of the tourists from the "frontline". Russians have gone so far that German and British toursits followed the fate of Ukrainians. French, Kazakh, Caucasian and Belarusian toutists took the other side and fought along the Russians on the "battlefield".

There's Russian flag waving above the Kemer hotel right now.

That's what I call a civilized vacation :D

 

P.S. Most likley a fake, yet funny.



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So the Ukranian army bombs the shit out of Eastern Ukraine and it doesn't even rate on the BBC scale of importance? Yeah, better go do a coverage on the royal kids birthday, see how much of a story can be blown out of TWO pictures. Fucking disgraceful. Same for newspapers, one small crop out is all it's been before the plane was shut down, now conveniently the Ukranian conflict rates above what Cheryl Cole had for breakfast or what Kylie Minogue is planning to do with her sorry celebrity career.



Disconnect and self destruct, one bullet a time.

So what we have now.

1. Ukraine prime minister Yatsenjuk yesterday tryed to left this position. During his speech he said that Ukraine only have money for army operations until 01 of August.
2. It seems Rada will be disbanded by autemn.
3. Boeing situation more and more changes to the infomration that the plane was shot down by Ukraine missile.
4. International Red Cross officially says that on Ukraine goes a civil war.

One year ago Ukraine was poor but normal east european country. Then West started the Maidan and put down Yanucovich.
Half a year has come and Ukraine is almost unexistant as a country.

What USA doing now?

THEY SENDING 180 elite MILITARY ADVISORS to Kiev. Delegation arrived to Ukraine yesterday. Today two of them shot dead in Mariupol.

US citizens. I can understand when you're OK with your government puts down governments on another side of Earth. But do you need more corpses of Americans? Iraq, Afganistan, and now - more from Ukraine???



Sharu said:
So what we have now.

1. Ukraine prime minister Yatsenjuk yesterday tryed to left this position. During his speech he said that Ukraine only have money for army operations until 01 of August.
2. It seems Rada will be disbanded by autemn.
3. Boeing situation more and more changes to the infomration that the plane was shot down by Ukraine missile.
4. International Red Cross officially says that on Ukraine goes a civil war.

One year ago Ukraine was poor but normal east european country. Then West started the Maidan and put down Yanucovich.
Half a year has come and Ukraine is almost unexistant as a country.

What USA doing now?

THEY SENDING 180 elite MILITARY ADVISORS to Kiev. Delegation arrived to Ukraine yesterday. Today two of them shot dead in Mariupol.

US citizens. I can understand when you're OK with your government puts down governments on another side of Earth. But do you need more corpses of Americans? Iraq, Afganistan, and now - more from Ukraine???


I have yet to see any evidence that Ukraine shot down that 777. The conspiracy theorist me see a plausible reason why they would do that (everyone would blame the rebels in the area and possibly enegize the rest of the world against Russia and the trouble they are causing them), but again most evidence points to a mistake by rebels (I see no positive they would gain by doing it on purpose)



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bigjon said:
Sharu said:
So what we have now.

1. Ukraine prime minister Yatsenjuk yesterday tryed to left this position. During his speech he said that Ukraine only have money for army operations until 01 of August.
2. It seems Rada will be disbanded by autemn.
3. Boeing situation more and more changes to the infomration that the plane was shot down by Ukraine missile.
4. International Red Cross officially says that on Ukraine goes a civil war.

One year ago Ukraine was poor but normal east european country. Then West started the Maidan and put down Yanucovich.
Half a year has come and Ukraine is almost unexistant as a country.

What USA doing now?

THEY SENDING 180 elite MILITARY ADVISORS to Kiev. Delegation arrived to Ukraine yesterday. Today two of them shot dead in Mariupol.

US citizens. I can understand when you're OK with your government puts down governments on another side of Earth. But do you need more corpses of Americans? Iraq, Afganistan, and now - more from Ukraine???


I have yet to see any evidence that Ukraine shot down that 777. The conspiracy theorist me see a plausible reason why they would do that (everyone would blame the rebels in the area and possibly enegize the rest of the world against Russia and the trouble they are causing them), but again most evidence points to a mistake by rebels (I see no positive they would gain by doing it on purpose)

Have you seen any EVIDENCIES that Russia/rebels shot it? Except from the US bullshit about 'social media information'? Me not. But Western newspapers are all about "Putin killed my son" shit.



http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/24/ukraine-unguided-rockets-killing-civilians
"(Donetsk) – Unguided Grad rockets launched apparently by Ukrainian government forces and pro-government militias have killed at least 16 civilians and wounded many more in insurgent-controlled areas of Donetsk and its suburbs in at least four attacks between July 12 and 21, 2014, Human Rights Watch said today.

The use of indiscriminate rockets in populated areas violates international humanitarian law, or the laws of war, and may amount to war crimes.(Donetsk) – Unguided Grad rockets launched apparently by Ukrainian government forces and pro-government militias have killed at least 16 civilians and wounded many more in insurgent-controlled areas of Donetsk and its suburbs in at least four attacks between July 12 and 21, 2014, Human Rights Watch said today.

The use of indiscriminate rockets in populated areas violates international humanitarian law, or the laws of war, and may amount to war crimes."

http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/21/ukraine-letter-president-poroshenko-internally-displaced-persons
"I am writing on behalf of Human Rights Watch to ask that the Ukrainian government urgently intensify efforts to protect the tens of thousands of Ukrainians who have been forced to flee their homes in Crimea and in eastern Ukraine. We fully recognize that the government has had to cope with multiple, profound crises in a short period of time, not least of which have been the armed insurrection in the Luhansk and Donetsk regions and Russia’s occupation of Crimea. But as the number of people forced from their homes continues to grow, so also does the urgency of finding sustainable solutions for them."