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Lafiel said:
rolltide101x said:


By default Rosetta Stone has Kanji/Furigana as how it reads I should change that to Hirigana and Katakana?

 

Also from what I am reading Rosetta Stone is not a great way to learn Japanese

uhm, I don't know how the Rosetta Stone programm is structured, but as I said, simply learning the 100~ characters of the Hiragana/Katakana syllabaries should come prior to learning any words or anything

most of the japanese words are written in Kanji, but each sentence usually contains Hiragana characters aswell and if something is using Furigana it means that the reading of a Kanji-based word is written above it in Hiragana, so you can atleast read how it is pronounced once you can read Hiragana

Can you link me to exactly what you are talking about so I am sure to study the correct thing?
Like this?

http://www.omniglot.com/writing/japanese_hiragana.htm



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deskpro2k3 said:
Get a Japanese girlfriend to translate for you.


She already does Spanish for me (she is half Puerto Rican and half Spanish) I can ask no more of her lol



I was thinking about learning japanese too
and alot of my freinds had great success learning languages with babble
sadly there is no japanese on babble but there is another option called busuu

www.busuu.com

maybe that is an option for you



rolltide101x said:
IsawYoshi said:
rolltide101x said:
IsawYoshi said:
I'm interested in learning Japanese as well. Could be practical to know for stuff other than gaming as well.


I thought so too, but upon thinking about it I could not think of any thing I could use it for other than gaming. But gaming is a good enough reason for me.

I'm going to study to be an engineer, so the more languages the better (as Norwegian engineers often work with foreigners, also some Japanese). Sure, could just use English, but Japanese would be 10 times more impressive. :D In reality though, I just want it for gaming, and will probably only use it for gaming. XD 


lol I am about to be a certified Network Engineer so I can not think of anything it would help me for in my career. But it would be awesome to be able to say I can read Japanese

Well Norway is as you might know one of the largest oil exporters in the world, and the platforms in the North sea have loads of foreigners, from many countries. Some frome Poland and the surrounding countries mostly to do hard physical work, but there is a lot of "experts" and the likes coming from other countries to show us how they do it, and vice versa. Also Norway is trading loads of fish to Japan, have tons of Japanese tourists and we also get a lot of top notch technology from there.

 

But that's mostly stuff I tell myself to start learning it. I'll probably end up using it 99% for gaming, unless I ended up going to Japan for some sort of project (happends sometimes).   



rolltide101x said:

Can you link me to exactly what you are talking about so I am sure to study the correct thing?
Like this?

http://www.omniglot.com/writing/japanese_hiragana.htm

yea that "basic hiragana syllables" and "additional sounds" table are the most important

Katakana work the same way, so that should be easy to add aswell



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Lafiel said:
rolltide101x said:

Can you link me to exactly what you are talking about so I am sure to study the correct thing?
Like this?

http://www.omniglot.com/writing/japanese_hiragana.htm

yea that "basic hiragana syllables" and "additional sounds" table are the most important

Katakana work the same way, so that should be easy to add aswell


Any advice on the best way to memorize them? I should memorize the Hiragana symbols and the English letter/letters that go with them to where I can look at the Hiragana symbol and know the English letter/s that go with them?



rolltide101x said:
Lafiel said:
rolltide101x said:


By default Rosetta Stone has Kanji/Furigana as how it reads I should change that to Hirigana and Katakana?

 

Also from what I am reading Rosetta Stone is not a great way to learn Japanese

uhm, I don't know how the Rosetta Stone programm is structured, but as I said, simply learning the 100~ characters of the Hiragana/Katakana syllabaries should come prior to learning any words or anything

most of the japanese words are written in Kanji, but each sentence usually contains Hiragana characters aswell and if something is using Furigana it means that the reading of a Kanji-based word is written above it in Hiragana, so you can atleast read how it is pronounced once you can read Hiragana

Can you link me to exactly what you are talking about so I am sure to study the correct thing?
Like this?

http://www.omniglot.com/writing/japanese_hiragana.htm

hiragana is the alphabet standard. Think of it as writing cursive, except you would write in cursive all the time
katakana is a stylized alphabet. Think of it as writing typeface except you would only use it for people's names, cool things, and foreign words
Kanji is the pictograph. Every word can be written in any three ways (for the most part)

Kanji is like....classic words...core fundamental words. Rice, cow, animal, place, house, etc. There are very few kanji for newer things. That is where katakana comes in.

When a kanji is used for many words, there are often endings done in hiragana. liiike eating is "taberu", which is also "tabemasu". In kanji, the symbol only stands for the sound "tabe", because as you can see, endings change to say different things. There is:
taberu
tabemasu
tabemasuka
taberaremasu
tabesaseraremasu

As you can see the only core part of the word that never changes is tabe...therefore, because kanji doesn't change, it only takes the place of tabe. Then you add the endings with cursive, so you get:

[Kanji] ru
or
[kanji] masu



rolltide101x said:
mai said:

Try finding TUFS (Tokyo University of Foreign Studies) workbooks for beginners on the net if you're planning more regular approach of studying it. I have good memories of them, but it was years ago (the ones I have are ancient -- and all in Japanese lol -- published in the 1990s, there must be smth newer). Since then I wasn't practicing much of Japanese -- switched to Chinse --  so can't advise any better.

//Learning alphabet is like an hour, the rest is practice. Kanji might be a bit more complicated task -- there're plenty of separate kanji courses (how to write, memorize and search them), for basics even Chinese ones will do.


Do you know what the Japanese games are in? That is what I would need to learn, or are you saying you learn something else first and the characters the games are in later.

 

I want to be able to read and comprehend this

http://gamingbolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Nobunaga-4.jpg

 

and this

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/qGzFvBjjTg4/maxresdefault.jpg (just wondering why is there so much English on there too?)

 

http://senpaigamer.com/sites/default/files/news/sony/2012/09/14-sangokushi-12-1.jpg

 

etc.

These are some common kanji for the most part, but I doubt you'd see a lot of kanji in Japanese games -- so forget about it before you're able to understand written Japanese text in kana -- if you're planning to read more than just a few inscriptions, of course.

Read some introduction in Japanese or smth so you'd understand what people are saying to you, because what I'm getting from the above posts you can't distinguish kana from kanji.



rolltide101x said:
Lafiel said:
rolltide101x said:

Can you link me to exactly what you are talking about so I am sure to study the correct thing?
Like this?

http://www.omniglot.com/writing/japanese_hiragana.htm

yea that "basic hiragana syllables" and "additional sounds" table are the most important

Katakana work the same way, so that should be easy to add aswell


Any advice on the best way to memorize them? I should memorize the Hiragana symbols and the English letter/letters that go with them to where I can look at the Hiragana symbol and know the English letter/s that go with them?

start with a, i, u, e, o (yes the vowel order is different in JP.
then do ka, ki, ku, ke, ko
then sa, shi, su, se, so

etc. Learn to write them. Use flash cards to help. Also will probably take longer than a day. It is a huge amount of information to absorb through something that may be extremely foreign to how you've been brought up to think.

Also; pronunciation is different as well.

a i u e o
is pronounced
a as in father
i as in eat
u as in the second part of the u sound in cute. not the 'you' sound but the trailing short ooh
e as in feather
o in first faux