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NPD - Xbox One YTD 2013: 4.8M retail games vs. 4.2M for PS4

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Nsanity said:


no surprise. better console sells better, better games sell better.



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kabelfritz said:
Nsanity said:


no surprise. better console sells better, better games sell better.


Couldn't agree more. The much superior Final Fantasy XIII-2 easily outsold all last generation's rpgs, including that terrible game, Xenoblade, which couldn't even sell a million. Or you know, better games don't always sell better. 



J_Allard said:
Rpruett said:

Sorry, but "unpopular genres"? lol. The games you listed.

Titanfall - FPS, most hyped game in a long time
Project Spark - Minecraft/LBP type "game creation" game. Extremely popular genre
Quantum Break - Story driven 3rd person shooter/action game. Another popular genre
Black Tusk Project - "next Halo". I highly doubt they are making a card game
Fable - RPG. Fable has been very popular and successful
Sunset - Open world shooter. Yeah, not popular at all
Halo - Never even heard of this

So again you're touting opinion as fact. Which is fine, but don't mistake it as anything other than your opinion. Especially when you're talking about "popular genres" and then listing a niche title like baseball.

Also, if we're going by history, MS releases great new IP's at the start of the gen. They did it with Xbox and the 360. I guess by your logic that confirms all these new IP's will be good. Wow what a year for Xbone. Thanks.

I said that and I quote :

"Halo and Titanfall we know what to expect.   Pretty much every other Microsoft game resides in an akward genre ( Quantum Break, Project Spark) or simply hasn't shown ANYTHING tangible or both."

Try reading better next time if you're going to go tit for tat with me.  I never said that all Microsoft games were like that.  However,  many of which you have listed we haven't even seen one screenshot in game.  Even the ones we've seen some footage of are absolutely not in popular household genres (Project Spark) or are in such an akward position in the gaming landscape, it's hard to determine where they fit in.

Titanfall - Multiplayer only game which don't really have a great track record on Console. (However, I believe this WILL be a popular game).

Project Spark -  Is not Little Big Planet.  It's not a platformer, it's a creation game.  It's more like Little Big Planet minus the entire story mode and everything else that made it a fully-fledged charming game and product.  I have no doubt it will be a 'cool' thing to mess around with but it won't be a great game.  It's like Garry's mod but for consoles.   Soon enough you'll be agreeing.

Quantum Break  - "Developed by Finnish game developer Remedy Entertainment and published by Microsoft Studios, the game will feature live-action videos blended with regular gameplay. The game was revealed with a teaser trailer during the Xbox One reveal event on 21 May 2013.[1] A Quantum Break television series is also in production, with Remedy stating that "how you play the game impacts the show, and the show informs how you play the game"  

Uncharted Drakes Fortune this game is not.  It will be doing some things that while could turn out 'cool' are highly un-tested and certainly far from anything considered popular at this point.  All the signs of a pretty but colossal failure are there.  It sits more in a Heavy Rain type of category than third person action games.  

Black Tusk Game -  You don't know one ounce of anything about it but you're seriously going to hype it up?  In that case, the Naughty Dog secret project and Last Guardian blow anything released this year out of the water, right?  And if I had a million dollars for everytime I've read "Next Halo"  I'd be employing Warren Buffet to manage my money.   Halo is popular for a myriad of reasons and timing of when the game came out.   Not because it has some magic amount of love and effort put into the game.  Black Tusk can try to make the next Halo just like the 1000000's of other game developers have before them.

Fable -  This fable will be starkly different from previous installations.  I'll set aside the complete whoring of the series out at this point (Which will only further delude public interest in the product)  but In “Fable Legends”, you’re never completely alone. You can play the game single player, with a party of three heroic AI companions that follow your lead through stories and adventures. Or you can play cooperatively with up to three friends and discover the game’s quests and content together. Play whatever style you want, when you want. 

The game certainly sounds like a game trying to hard to have people like it to me.  Also consider the fact that Molyneux has departed.  You know the game directing the game from it's inception.  The games that all those people liked.

Sunset Overdrive -  I said would likely be a solid game. Combining aspects of Ratchet Clank / Resistance but have we seen even a snippet of content from it yet? Besides some pre-canned video?

Halo -  Is Halo



Again, which of those games are in "akward" or "unpopular" genres? The most "akward" genre discussed so far is baseball, and you're touting that as a big game for PS4.

I never hyped up BTS game, I simply implied it makes no sense for MS to hype up a project as "the next Halo" if they are releasing a dating sim or something equally niche.

So basically you're ok with PS4's unknown and unproven games but have all sorts of doubts about MS. Well, I have doubts that Driveclub (delayed, being given out free, developers last couple games have been terrible) or Deep Down (free to play, looks generic and graphics were downgraded) will be any good. I am hoping The Order turns out good, but what do we know about it? Nothing. It could turn out to be dog shit for all we know. Difference is I won't tout my opinion as fact. These doubts I have about these games do not factually prove anything.



J_Allard said:
Again, which of those games are in "akward" or "unpopular" genres? The most "akward" genre discussed so far is baseball, and you're touting that as a big game for PS4.

I never hyped up BTS game, I simply implied it makes no sense for MS to hype up a project as "the next Halo" if they are releasing a dating sim or something equally niche.

So basically you're ok with PS4's unknown and unproven games but have all sorts of doubts about MS. Well, I have doubts that Driveclub (delayed, being given out free, developers last couple games have been terrible) or Deep Down (free to play, looks generic and graphics were downgraded) will be any good. I am hoping The Order turns out good, but what do we know about it? Nothing. It could turn out to be dog shit for all we know. Difference is I won't tout my opinion as fact. These doubts I have about these games do not factually prove anything.

We know the game is being made by Ready At Dawn and it's resolution is 800P.



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Nsanity said:
J_Allard said:
Again, which of those games are in "akward" or "unpopular" genres? The most "akward" genre discussed so far is baseball, and you're touting that as a big game for PS4.

I never hyped up BTS game, I simply implied it makes no sense for MS to hype up a project as "the next Halo" if they are releasing a dating sim or something equally niche.

So basically you're ok with PS4's unknown and unproven games but have all sorts of doubts about MS. Well, I have doubts that Driveclub (delayed, being given out free, developers last couple games have been terrible) or Deep Down (free to play, looks generic and graphics were downgraded) will be any good. I am hoping The Order turns out good, but what do we know about it? Nothing. It could turn out to be dog shit for all we know. Difference is I won't tout my opinion as fact. These doubts I have about these games do not factually prove anything.

We know the game is being made by Ready At Dawn and it's resolution is 800P.

Well if the last couple months are any indication, that means most PS4 owners here shouldn't be buying that game.



J_Allard said:
Nsanity said:
J_Allard said:
Again, which of those games are in "akward" or "unpopular" genres? The most "akward" genre discussed so far is baseball, and you're touting that as a big game for PS4.

I never hyped up BTS game, I simply implied it makes no sense for MS to hype up a project as "the next Halo" if they are releasing a dating sim or something equally niche.

So basically you're ok with PS4's unknown and unproven games but have all sorts of doubts about MS. Well, I have doubts that Driveclub (delayed, being given out free, developers last couple games have been terrible) or Deep Down (free to play, looks generic and graphics were downgraded) will be any good. I am hoping The Order turns out good, but what do we know about it? Nothing. It could turn out to be dog shit for all we know. Difference is I won't tout my opinion as fact. These doubts I have about these games do not factually prove anything.

We know the game is being made by Ready At Dawn and it's resolution is 800P.

Well if the last couple months are any indication, that means most PS4 owners here shouldn't be buying that game.

Come back to me with the sales and critical reception/comments on games like Project Spark.  It does not fit into standard genres and it's certainly not going to take Minecraft's spot anytime soon.  Go sign up for Project Spark beta yourself.  If you really want to find out the truth about the game instead of posturing what-if propositions about what was shown at E3.  

Quantum Break - Interesting concept but one that has potential failure written all over it.   Good developer but I see a high 70s type metascore for this game at best because it's ambitiously going in the wrong directions.  That's assuming Remedy even finishes this  game before 2015.  A notorious company for not meeting release dates.   You might as well call them Square-Enix or Polyphony Digital.  I have doubt this even hits in 2014, and if it does I don't believe it will be as good as expected.

You most certainly hyped up the BTS game by including it in your list of why the Xbox One releases are so superior in 2014.  I said, we haven't even seen a single snippet or even idea of what the game is even truly about and you're going to put that on the list?   We might as well throw whatever Naughty Dog project is there because it will obviously be one of the best games of the generation.  And Last Guardian?   Sure,  we've seen more of that game than BTS or Sunset Overdrive.

Not one of PS4's "unknown" games that I mentioned is without some footage, screenshots or game direction.  I've watched 25 minutes of Deep Down gameplay.  I've atleast saw numerous in-game screenshots for The Order and been given a run through on the genre it will be.    

Stark contrast from Sunset Overdrive/Quantum Break/BTS game.

As for DriveClub,   with PS  Plus it's very common for quality games to make their way into users hands for free.  (For example,  my favorite game of the generation so far)  Resogun was completely free with a PS Plus subscription and I probably never would have bought it without one.   As for your comment about the developer?  While we're certainly not talking about some 'AAA' developer.   I'd say a company whose three fully-fledged console release titles this generation scored  (84,82,77) respectively an average of 81 on Metacritic doesnt exactly mesh with your 'Developers last few games have been terrible'.

If you want to get into developers whose last few games have been terrible,  you need to look right at the feet of Insomniac games.  Their last several games have been absolutely god awful (75,65, 63,70, 83) average of 71 overall.  Doesn't exactly inspire confidence in their new IP which we've seen not an ounce of footage or screenshots of.



naruball said:
kabelfritz said:
Nsanity said:


no surprise. better console sells better, better games sell better.


Couldn't agree more. The much superior Final Fantasy XIII-2 easily outsold all last generation's rpgs, including that terrible game, Xenoblade, which couldn't even sell a million. Or you know, better games don't always sell better. 


so you are telling me that the ps4 has the better games than the one right now?



kabelfritz said:
naruball said:
kabelfritz said:
Nsanity said:


no surprise. better console sells better, better games sell better.


Couldn't agree more. The much superior Final Fantasy XIII-2 easily outsold all last generation's rpgs, including that terrible game, Xenoblade, which couldn't even sell a million. Or you know, better games don't always sell better. 


so you are telling me that the ps4 has the better games than the one right now?

I'm sorry, but if i re-read what you just said

no surprise. better console sells better

better console

better          CONSOLE

 

The PS4 is actually the better console, as it's hardware is superior. Try to not make a fool out of yourself nextime, kay? thx.



kabelfritz said:
naruball said:
kabelfritz said:
Nsanity said:


no surprise. better console sells better, better games sell better.


Couldn't agree more. The much superior Final Fantasy XIII-2 easily outsold all last generation's rpgs, including that terrible game, Xenoblade, which couldn't even sell a million. Or you know, better games don't always sell better. 


so you are telling me that the ps4 has the better games than the one right now?

Game quality is subjective. The PS4 definitely has the highest rated exclusive of the 2 systems ;)