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WhiteEaglePL on 21 March 2015

I did badly lol. When's the next one?!



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OfficerRaichu15 on 21 March 2015

Should have joined :P



Bets:

(Won)Bet with TechoHobbit: He(Techno) says 10 million by January 1,2014 I say 9 million by then. Winner gets 2 weeks of sig control.

(Lost)Bet with kinisking: I say Ps4 will win April NPD while he says Xbox One will win it; winner gets 1 week of avatar control.

Raichu's First Series:

First RPG?

First Fighter?

First Racer?

First Shooter?

First MMO?

First Horror?

Official Ni No Kuni Fanboy:

Familiars Captured:37

Game Beaten: 2 times almost

Times I got teary during some scenes: 3

WhiteEaglePL on 21 March 2015

Hopefully me next combination shall make it easier for me lol.



haqqaton on 21 March 2015

Noooo Coneeee



DélioPT on 21 March 2015
Captain_Yuri said:
DélioPT said:

Its a new brand... It wouldn't have been seen as gaming if it didn't have the games... And yes, it is about what games are there and what you don't seem to get for some reason is that third party games have quantity, diversity and a lot of them also have quality. And yes, they choose blindly... Not 100 million blindly.. Yes, many people choose the iphone but oh look, Android has 80+% of the market share with Samsung leading the charge which = majority market share which nullifies your arguement

100 million and dead after vs 1 billion and growing is a big difference dude. And they obviously thought that porting an old game wouldn't have worked out for them with the wii because every other console will get GTA IV/V and something like this will be seen as bad press so there was no point in using development resources in porting games to the wii from a different architecture... But that is not the case with mobile cause of the 1 billion + number

You have essentially said it because Nintendo has had shooters before and they still have shooters now but all of which didn't succeed beyond Nintendo fans. Its not about whether or not Nintendo does a shooter, its about whether or not it will bring in new fans and it wont because histroy has proven that too with games like Metroid.

I think you don't care because Fusion will not bring in the third parties for the billionth time and I have explained why it wont and you have failed to explain why it will outside of "higher install base" which history has proven it won't work... Plus "Nintendo not to depend so much on 3rd parties" proves that you don't care for third parties.

No... The reason why the Snes/Nes were successful was cause they had the third party games and its main competitors were absolute ass... Sega was Nintendo's only real competitor and after the Genesis which was doing very well, they went to shit ville with tons of add ons and other nonsense which you would know if u knew any history about the games industry. The main difference between what Nintendo did and what Sony did above all was that Sony had third party support and they followed everything that the third party wanted. How do you not know this exactly shows your knowledge of the whole sitution. And it was a hardware issue... Please, Learn to use Google and do some research

"people for some reason, just didn't want it." That statement right there just shows how little you know about how it all works... PsP/Vita wasn't appealing to people because the DS/3ds had third party games + Nintendo exclusives... Yes the DS was also unique but its sales was majorly helped by its third party support as well

Yes they will because there is money to be made with little cost... Porting a game with extact same architecture as to its competition with similar performance costs little to no money even if the sales aren't as high as its competition where as porting to a console with different architecture and different performance costs signicantly more money and it needs to sell a very good amount in order to be worth it for them. Thats why they supported both the xbox and x1 even though both of them had a lower install base than PS

Do you have selective memory or something? I have explained it that gamers aren't going to trade third parties for Nintendo exclusives... If they have both, then they will buy... X1 has third party support hence why its selling so much... And I am right because Nintendo consoles don't have third party games hence why they aren't selling but Nintendo handhelds have third party + first party and Snes/Nes had them hence why they sold so much

And again, it doesn't or else the Vita/VitaTV would be selling a lot more than they are... Heck, the Vita TV should be selling a lot more than it is right now

But either ways. I can see where this is going and we are going around in circles. I have shown everyone in this thread just how blind and pathetic your arguements are and people have recommended me to stop talking to you cause I am wasting my time so I will do just that. If you want to continue to be blind, so be it but at least people know in this site that you have no credibility

And please take off that Nintendo sig of yours because you are an embarassment to the Nintendo fanbase with your nonsense arguements and your ability to keep on repeating urself and not provide any actual evidence

I'll just keep this short.
PS tried a different strategy and it worked. It resonated with the mass market and gave them the image that they represented gaming. That's why they sold so well on the first try and XB didn't.

I wasn't talking about OSs, i was talking the actual smartphones. And in that regard, by your standards, Apple couldn't/shouldn't be having the success they are having. But the thing is they are because to the mass market there's nothing better nor do they care about the rest.

100M is nowhere near that 1billion devices. It's still nothing to scoff at especially when the system was a hit.
Rockstar could have spent the extra time and money if they thought the market would respond to that effort. Good or bad decision, they could have done what Capcom did. And the extra effort is not a sufficient reason.
Bad press for porting a old game? You gotta tell that to Sony and Rockstar and their multi million remakes of The last of US and GTA V.

How do you know that a new shooter by Nintendo won't bring new gamers? Got a crystal ball with you?
It sure won't if they don't try.

""Nintendo not to depend so much on 3rd parties" proves that you don't care for third parties."
How many times have 3rd parties abandoned Nintendo? Want to try your luck another generation? Better safe than sorry, if you ask me.

The reason NES was a success was because of Mario, Zelda, DK and what other big 3rd parties do people loved in the NES era? There were 3rd parties alright, but it was Nintendo who supported it's own success. Snes was basically more of the same.
And Genesis put quite a fight. Probably more in Europe than in the US. Remember the sales in the NES gen and SNes gen.

I'm not asking them to trade 3rd parties for Nintendo games. I'm saying that it makes more sense to buy a Nintendo console instead of another console which shares what's basically the same library and a few number of meaningful exclusives - at least so far.
But that was in regard to your idea that Nintendo+3rd party games equals winning combo. And what i said was that it was a better solution, by your reasoning, buying a PS4+Wii U or XB1+Wii U. And that's not what's happening simply because the value of Nintendo's games aren't as high as you make them to be.

Vita and Vita TV has got nothing to do with the Fusion concept. The concept has a lot more to it than just playing handheld games on a TV.
And what's the point of a TV device of something the market already showed they don't want and that's in competition with PS3?

You can claim that all it takes is going to developers, offering a quick cheap port solution and developers will get behind that idea, again, you are setting yourself up for a shock not because i think so, but because you are completely overlooking something as vital as demographics of the userbase, purchase history, market expectations, emotional connection to brands and other vital elements to make a business decision.
Don't be surprised when you see Nintendo offering the solution you want for cheap ports - like the GC was; like the Wii was - and still failing.



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episteme on 21 March 2015

2 damn blue shells in one race...



Nuvendil on 21 March 2015
DélioPT said:
Captain_Yuri said:
DélioPT said:

Its a new brand... It wouldn't have been seen as gaming if it didn't have the games... And yes, it is about what games are there and what you don't seem to get for some reason is that third party games have quantity, diversity and a lot of them also have quality. And yes, they choose blindly... Not 100 million blindly.. Yes, many people choose the iphone but oh look, Android has 80+% of the market share with Samsung leading the charge which = majority market share which nullifies your arguement

100 million and dead after vs 1 billion and growing is a big difference dude. And they obviously thought that porting an old game wouldn't have worked out for them with the wii because every other console will get GTA IV/V and something like this will be seen as bad press so there was no point in using development resources in porting games to the wii from a different architecture... But that is not the case with mobile cause of the 1 billion + number

You have essentially said it because Nintendo has had shooters before and they still have shooters now but all of which didn't succeed beyond Nintendo fans. Its not about whether or not Nintendo does a shooter, its about whether or not it will bring in new fans and it wont because histroy has proven that too with games like Metroid.

I think you don't care because Fusion will not bring in the third parties for the billionth time and I have explained why it wont and you have failed to explain why it will outside of "higher install base" which history has proven it won't work... Plus "Nintendo not to depend so much on 3rd parties" proves that you don't care for third parties.

No... The reason why the Snes/Nes were successful was cause they had the third party games and its main competitors were absolute ass... Sega was Nintendo's only real competitor and after the Genesis which was doing very well, they went to shit ville with tons of add ons and other nonsense which you would know if u knew any history about the games industry. The main difference between what Nintendo did and what Sony did above all was that Sony had third party support and they followed everything that the third party wanted. How do you not know this exactly shows your knowledge of the whole sitution. And it was a hardware issue... Please, Learn to use Google and do some research

"people for some reason, just didn't want it." That statement right there just shows how little you know about how it all works... PsP/Vita wasn't appealing to people because the DS/3ds had third party games + Nintendo exclusives... Yes the DS was also unique but its sales was majorly helped by its third party support as well

Yes they will because there is money to be made with little cost... Porting a game with extact same architecture as to its competition with similar performance costs little to no money even if the sales aren't as high as its competition where as porting to a console with different architecture and different performance costs signicantly more money and it needs to sell a very good amount in order to be worth it for them. Thats why they supported both the xbox and x1 even though both of them had a lower install base than PS

Do you have selective memory or something? I have explained it that gamers aren't going to trade third parties for Nintendo exclusives... If they have both, then they will buy... X1 has third party support hence why its selling so much... And I am right because Nintendo consoles don't have third party games hence why they aren't selling but Nintendo handhelds have third party + first party and Snes/Nes had them hence why they sold so much

And again, it doesn't or else the Vita/VitaTV would be selling a lot more than they are... Heck, the Vita TV should be selling a lot more than it is right now

But either ways. I can see where this is going and we are going around in circles. I have shown everyone in this thread just how blind and pathetic your arguements are and people have recommended me to stop talking to you cause I am wasting my time so I will do just that. If you want to continue to be blind, so be it but at least people know in this site that you have no credibility

And please take off that Nintendo sig of yours because you are an embarassment to the Nintendo fanbase with your nonsense arguements and your ability to keep on repeating urself and not provide any actual evidence

I'll just keep this short.
PS tried a different strategy and it worked. It resonated with the mass market and gave them the image that they represented gaming. That's why they sold so well on the first try and XB didn't.

I wasn't talking about OSs, i was talking the actual smartphones. And in that regard, by your standards, Apple couldn't/shouldn't be having the success they are having. But the thing is they are because to the mass market there's nothing better nor do they care about the rest.

100M is nowhere near that 1billion devices. It's still nothing to scoff at especially when the system was a hit.
Rockstar could have spent the extra time and money if they thought the market would respond to that effort. Good or bad decision, they could have done what Capcom did. And the extra effort is not a sufficient reason.
Bad press for porting a old game? You gotta tell that to Sony and Rockstar and their multi million remakes of The last of US and GTA V.

How do you know that a new shooter by Nintendo won't bring new gamers? Got a crystal ball with you?
It sure won't if they don't try.

""Nintendo not to depend so much on 3rd parties" proves that you don't care for third parties."
How many times have 3rd parties abandoned Nintendo? Want to try your luck another generation? Better safe than sorry, if you ask me.

The reason NES was a success was because of Mario, Zelda, DK and what other big 3rd parties do people loved in the NES era? There were 3rd parties alright, but it was Nintendo who supported it's own success. Snes was basically more of the same.
And Genesis put quite a fight. Probably more in Europe than in the US. Remember the sales in the NES gen and SNes gen.

I'm not asking them to trade 3rd parties for Nintendo games. I'm saying that it makes more sense to buy a Nintendo console instead of another console which shares what's basically the same library and a few number of meaningful exclusives - at least so far.
But that was in regard to your idea that Nintendo+3rd party games equals winning combo. And what i said was that it was a better solution, by your reasoning, buying a PS4+Wii U or XB1+Wii U. And that's not what's happening simply because the value of Nintendo's games aren't as high as you make them to be.

Vita and Vita TV has got nothing to do with the Fusion concept. The concept has a lot more to it than just playing handheld games on a TV.
And what's the point of a TV device of something the market already showed they don't want and that's in competition with PS3?

You can claim that all it takes is going to developers, offering a quick cheap port solution and developers will get behind that idea, again, you are setting yourself up for a shock not because i think so, but because you are completely overlooking something as vital as demographics of the userbase, purchase history, market expectations, emotional connection to brands and other vital elements to make a business decision.
Don't be surprised when you see Nintendo offering the solution you want for cheap ports - like the GC was; like the Wii was - and still failing.

Just going to point out that if you think the GC and Wii offered cheap options to port new games, you are high.  The GC had an annoying proprietary format with aweful space restrictions and the Wii was woefully underpowered.  Just sayin.  



WhiteEaglePL on 21 March 2015

That's it?:(



haqqaton on 21 March 2015

"Nice try" is depressing. xD



Conegamer on 21 March 2015

Second again? Nice! Hope you guys enjoyed it

SO...Smash next?



 

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