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justinian said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Mr Khan said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Mr Khan said:
 

The only thing gold backing does is make it that much harder to have a flexible currency. Fiat is simply more stable.

Who even operates on the gold standard anymore? India might, i think, though that's showing their weakness.


Backed currency doesn't need to be flexible because its real. If you have it then you have it. Its amazing how much inflation increases prices to outrageous levels to the point that the bubble had to burst in this country.

How is it real, though? How are shiny rocks any more real than bits of paper with pictures? (The practical uses for gold and silver notwithstanding)


What is skin without a skeleton? Answer that question and you'll understand my point. If theres no backing you should've just saved a tree. Gold needed no backing because it was considered a desirable and rare object. In Asia rice was used as currency. You're basically saying air is just as valuable as a commodity that could pass for currency itself. Fiat currency makes it easier to create debt especially when people don't know where the money is coming from. You wouldn't be the wise as to whether the lender had mal intent or not. Everything today is based on faith....which is something we need less of if we want to stay out of trouble.

I agree with your statement.

Ultimately people will believe whatever they want and usually that is whatever makes them comfortable. If they think the US dollar will be around in their lifetime or otherwise.

I like your point on faith although I take it from a different angle. I believe anything is possible because I have little faith in humans, espeicially those that seek to lead and thus become leaders. Decisions made within are the cause of the fall of empires and great nations.  All it takes is a decision and a bad one can be taken tommorow or in twenty years.

 


Faith is true in many respects and can bail a person out if they are having issues, but people would make less mistakes if more was expected of them. Faith on the other side of the coin philosophically should create risk, which is what people rely on from investors so yes. However when it comes to currency its a different story.



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Mr Khan said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
 


People cannot pay their debts because of inflation, fractional reserve banking, outside borrowing, and excessive printing. There is no boogeyman and faith is not the best thing to focus on when you have a currency. This country's currency was built on the notional of reserve notes backed by gold, silver and whatever we truly had. If we didn't have money, well too bad. The second we gave up everything to the bankers they put us all in debt up to our ears for years to come.

The only thing gold backing does is make it that much harder to have a flexible currency. Fiat is simply more stable.

Who even operates on the gold standard anymore? India might, i think, though that's showing their weakness.

Nobody operates under the gold standard anymore.

That said, there are some currencies you could consider "Gold backed".

That is their countries keep a significant amount of gold relative to their currency.   Switzerland s a good example.

Really every country keeps some gold as backing for this, but countries like the US have let it slip as low as 2%.

 

I think what you might be confusing with India, is just that they are considering selling some of their reserve to avoid defaulting on loans.   Even possibly going so far as basically turnng the countries banks into a "Gold for Cash" scheme to get some of that gold off the market, since India leads the world in gold demand, and i want to say private gold ownership.

 

India is actualy a good sign of the advantage of a gold backed reserve as it had the gold to avoid a default in 1991.  (As humilating as using that gold was.)

 



S.T.A.G.E. said:
justinian said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Mr Khan said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Mr Khan said:
 

The only thing gold backing does is make it that much harder to have a flexible currency. Fiat is simply more stable.

Who even operates on the gold standard anymore? India might, i think, though that's showing their weakness.


Backed currency doesn't need to be flexible because its real. If you have it then you have it. Its amazing how much inflation increases prices to outrageous levels to the point that the bubble had to burst in this country.

How is it real, though? How are shiny rocks any more real than bits of paper with pictures? (The practical uses for gold and silver notwithstanding)


What is skin without a skeleton? Answer that question and you'll understand my point. If theres no backing you should've just saved a tree. Gold needed no backing because it was considered a desirable and rare object. In Asia rice was used as currency. You're basically saying air is just as valuable as a commodity that could pass for currency itself. Fiat currency makes it easier to create debt especially when people don't know where the money is coming from. You wouldn't be the wise as to whether the lender had mal intent or not. Everything today is based on faith....which is something we need less of if we want to stay out of trouble.

I agree with your statement.

Ultimately people will believe whatever they want and usually that is whatever makes them comfortable. If they think the US dollar will be around in their lifetime or otherwise.

I like your point on faith although I take it from a different angle. I believe anything is possible because I have little faith in humans, espeicially those that seek to lead and thus become leaders. Decisions made within are the cause of the fall of empires and great nations.  All it takes is a decision and a bad one can be taken tommorow or in twenty years.

 


Faith is true in many respects and can bail a person out if they are having issues, but people would make less mistakes if more was expected of them. Faith on the other side of the coin philosophically should create risk, which is what people rely on from investors so yes. However when it comes to currency its a different story.

Yes, but to me it is all the same. Each country (or group of countries) must make decisions over their currency. These can be genius or disastrous.

Many people have faith in their governments to make the correct decisions. Some don't.

Take China for example. From members of the American government to the average Joe on the street many see China as a threat to their security and to their economy. How much dough does the US owe China?

What they fail to see is that it was decisions made in the US (mainly) that was responsible for the growth in China and other Asian markets. The beast that many Americans now see in China is variably a beast of their own creation.

This is what I mean by decisons made at the top at every level and every dept can be good or bad for a country in the long term. Economics (currency) at this point in human history is at the heart of it. The world has evolved. A few white men in the western world no longer can dictate and call all the shots like they did less than a generation ago. To view the world now as it was in the America's pomp during the 1950's and after doesn't make sense.                          Superpowers no longer rule for centuries like Rome or the European colonists.

A superpowers greatest enemy is the one within. Not Russia, not China, not N.Korea or Iran. With the way the American government is acting and with a whole lot of their policies in a now global world it seems to me the country is on a straight and downhill road to destruction. I could be wrong but only time can be the judge of that, nothing else.



And we're one step closer to this now: Russia And China Finally Sign Historic $400 Billion "Holy Grail" Gas Deal -- with all possible consequences to follow.



Maybe. I'm sure it will happen and then once it does, the other currencies will collapse too, and all will be replaced with 1 global currency.



    

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The dollar is on it's way down anyway, but its hard to say if it will ever collapse though.

Also, why do we need a global reserve currency anyway?



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