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Wouldn't that be like having sex without orgasming?

Now that I think about it. This would probably be good for a lot of us, who have oversensative body parts... :P







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I highly doubt MS will do this. As others have already pointed out, it would be a highly counterproductive move



if true, that would piss off a lot of early adopters who are forced to pay $150 for a worthless add-on. they better be getting their ambassador program together..



Damn does the kinect add that much price to the console! If they are doing this then its likely they are concerned with how it will fair against the lower priced ps4.



Zappykins said:
Xenostar said:
 

Heres another story 24million people bought the original Kinect, most are now unused getting dusty in a draw. I know more than 10 people that bought into Kinect and not one uses it anymore, and they wouldnt buy into it again, unless forced to like they are currently with XBOne. 

If it was the future as you claim, there would be alot of love for it from the current owners and i just dont see any. The future is a cheaper mass market price and i hope MS see this. 

Awe that's sad, they don't sound like fun people. But no I don't agree with you assumption that most don't use it.  Kinect Adventures the pack in with Kinect was as of last week still the 11th most purchased game title in North America!  It's still selling quite well, even with X1 and Kinect 2.0 just months away.

There are always people that can't adjust to the new advances in tech and society, they just shouldn't be allowed to hold the rest of us back.  There is a good word for that, just can't think of it at the moment.

Perhaps you should try for some new more fun friends?  Even the most die hard fans of other consoles have all gone 'Wow, neat, cool, can I try' when I show them Kinect.  I'd never want to play Skyrim without it.


This is what they all said when they got it, but like the Wii, like the PS Move, they tired of it quickly and went back to just wanting a pad. 

And again as i said earlier the features you seem to be talking about and what MS ever talk about are all the voice features, you dont require $100+ camera for that, a cheap $5-10 mic array would do that and could easily be packed in and massivley reduce the price of the console. 



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yeah like a 5 dollar array mic could do what the Kinect does, and I would have to where a headset, no thank you....?!?!?!? headsets are for cheap nerds or when you can't use your regular setup because people in your household are sleeping or something or you can't afford one.... otherwise it's a piece of crap especially the one packed in consoles, but even the high end ones.

and people never have love for emerging technology, it was like that for the mouse, it was like that for the CD and the DVD, it was like that for GUI in OSs, it was like that with digital camera and camcorder, the first tablet PCs, heck even the first smartphones that were a cross between PDA and feature phones....

of course Kinect was pretty shitty, like the first mobile phones had huge 20 pound batteries you had to carry in one hand with a huge military looking antenna. But still it was a huge first step, then we got GSM witch was a second step, it's only once it got cheaper and smaller it really picked up, but without their ancestors it would have probably been different or slower.
Now someone that has a Kinect and doesn't use it, is either just using their Xbox 360 to play games and have no interest in Kinect games, or they just like to waste time, cause if well calibrated outside of gaming it is the best way to navigate the dashboard. I'll even go as far as to say voice command is something that will become a standard input for tech device in the near future because it's way more convenient if you don't want to waste time, don't want to focus only on the said device or don't know the interface. in the future I don't want to have to grab anything or look at anything for dumb device to do what I want, I'll tell them they'll execute.
i.e. :
"TV record game of throne next episode, and put on the Netflix app and play house of cards"
"fridge, tell me how many steaks do I have for tonight's party, and print a list of groceries"
"house call Brenda (the wife, need to ask her if she wants something specific)"
"computer open outlook and tell me when is my first meeting tomorrow"
"Xbox snap Xbox music" "show me my play list for tonight" "bing similar artists" *hand gesture select this that that and that* "XBOX close app"
*damn missed some house of card with all that stuff, rewinds precisely with hand gesture*

so yeah if you want to keep using a pad to do things the archaic way and like to waste time with the old ways and refuse to support future technologies Kinect is not for you. but if there isn't a first step, then a second, then a third it will never become like in the example... you can't just expect a tech to come out in it's premium form right of the bat, it would be great but it's usually not how it works... so yeah I expect the new Kinect to be way better than the precedent one which was already a great step forward, but it won't be perfect... we need to give it time and support the project or at least the idea, I see Kinect like MS own little kickstarter project and I'm willing to invest on it even if it means Kinect 3 or 4 will be the really revolutionary one, but you have to start somewhere and pushing it like MS does is apparently the only way for them (I bet it would be a no name group on kickstarter you would have millions of people vouching money for it)

and price the issue???? last time I checked PS3 released at $200 more than the 360 a year later a 100 more than the Xbox One and today it is tracking at the same level than the 360... so price is certainly not the issue here, early adopters don't care about price and the other are just gonna like they always do, wait until the price riches an acceptable level for their budget.
and I'm pretty sure MS will do the XBL plan again where you get a cheap XB1 but you have a to sign up for a 2 year XBL gold plan full price.

so yeah I'm for Kinect bundled all the way, even if it will never be relevant for gaming, the tech will be used in everyday life in the future, from dressing room at home to try new outfit without putting them on, to automation system for homes and stores, to well pretty much anything that has been show cased in future tech videos.... they start it with XB because it is the only platform they have that make sense for it for now....



Makes Kinect kinda pointless if Microsoft did this



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endimion said:
yeah like a 5 dollar array mic could do what the Kinect does, and I would have to where a headset, no thank you....?!?!?!? headsets are for cheap nerds or when you can't use your regular setup because people in your household are sleeping or something or you can't afford one.... otherwise it's a piece of crap especially the one packed in consoles, but even the high end ones.

and people never have love for emerging technology, it was like that for the mouse, it was like that for the CD and the DVD, it was like that for GUI in OSs, it was like that with digital camera and camcorder, the first tablet PCs, heck even the first smartphones that were a cross between PDA and feature phones....

of course Kinect was pretty shitty, like the first mobile phones had huge 20 pound batteries you had to carry in one hand with a huge military looking antenna. But still it was a huge first step, then we got GSM witch was a second step, it's only once it got cheaper and smaller it really picked up, but without their ancestors it would have probably been different or slower.
Now someone that has a Kinect and doesn't use it, is either just using their Xbox 360 to play games and have no interest in Kinect games, or they just like to waste time, cause if well calibrated outside of gaming it is the best way to navigate the dashboard. I'll even go as far as to say voice command is something that will become a standard input for tech device in the near future because it's way more convenient if you don't want to waste time, don't want to focus only on the said device or don't know the interface. in the future I don't want to have to grab anything or look at anything for dumb device to do what I want, I'll tell them they'll execute.
i.e. :
"TV record game of throne next episode, and put on the Netflix app and play house of cards"
"fridge, tell me how many steaks do I have for tonight's party, and print a list of groceries"
"house call Brenda (the wife, need to ask her if she wants something specific)"
"computer open outlook and tell me when is my first meeting tomorrow"
"Xbox snap Xbox music" "show me my play list for tonight" "bing similar artists" *hand gesture select this that that and that* "XBOX close app"
*damn missed some house of card with all that stuff, rewinds precisely with hand gesture*

so yeah if you want to keep using a pad to do things the archaic way and like to waste time with the old ways and refuse to support future technologies Kinect is not for you. but if there isn't a first step, then a second, then a third it will never become like in the example... you can't just expect a tech to come out in it's premium form right of the bat, it would be great but it's usually not how it works... so yeah I expect the new Kinect to be way better than the precedent one which was already a great step forward, but it won't be perfect... we need to give it time and support the project or at least the idea, I see Kinect like MS own little kickstarter project and I'm willing to invest on it even if it means Kinect 3 or 4 will be the really revolutionary one, but you have to start somewhere and pushing it like MS does is apparently the only way for them (I bet it would be a no name group on kickstarter you would have millions of people vouching money for it)

and price the issue???? last time I checked PS3 released at $200 more than the 360 a year later a 100 more than the Xbox One and today it is tracking at the same level than the 360... so price is certainly not the issue here, early adopters don't care about price and the other are just gonna like they always do, wait until the price riches an acceptable level for their budget.
and I'm pretty sure MS will do the XBL plan again where you get a cheap XB1 but you have a to sign up for a 2 year XBL gold plan full price.

so yeah I'm for Kinect bundled all the way, even if it will never be relevant for gaming, the tech will be used in everyday life in the future, from dressing room at home to try new outfit without putting them on, to automation system for homes and stores, to well pretty much anything that has been show cased in future tech videos.... they start it with XB because it is the only platform they have that make sense for it for now....

Do you think the Kinect lip reads or something it just has an array mic in it, why would you need a head set if they just bundled the mic stuff without the expensive camera tech?

Much cheaper console still has all the exact same voice commands without a headset. Can buy a camera later if your interested in the handfull of sports minigame titles. 



binary solo said:
Zappykins said:
Xenostar said:
Zappykins said:
 

Because without Kinect it's just a fancy game/media machine.  It would lose the amazing innovation that separates it from everything else in the market.  The thing that will propels us further into the future, and lead us closer to computers that we only see in Science Fiction stories.

I live with a Kinect now, and I would hate going backwards.  I feel like I'm back in the dark ages when I need to put my laptop on the TV for the one or two things I can't get on Hulu+.  Or if I go to a friends and they want me to find a movie while they are making popcorn.  I can't say, "Roku, Bing, The Mouse that Roared" and have it pull up the movie and tell me where I can watch it.  You have to flip through every single app to find what, where and how much.  It's like in a library, going back to rows and rows of card catalogs when you are use on massive online data search.

It would be like making online news papers illegal - so you could only buy the entire paper to read a single article - and all other papers.  Or have a smart phone, but all apps are illegal - including maps and directions.  Or making tablets without a touch screen and you have a little square like on some laptops.  Why would anyone want to stifle innovation?

The people that don't want it just don't know any better.  A few are tin foil hat die hards against it, and I think we just have to leave them behind.  They can't see the future, but they shouldn't be allowed to hold the rest of us back that can.  Not making Kinect Mandatory would stifle innovation, creativity, and convenience.


Fair enough, but in my eyes its just a boulder chained around its neck, the prohibitive price will just hold the console back. A peripheral that most just arent interested in. 

I get that.  Let me tell you a story.

I have a friend, let's call him Dan, that is fairly traditional that has refused to get a cell phone.  He loves classic old things and is restoring a vintage house - painstakingly very, very slowly.  He has been working on it's fancy ceiling in the 'parlor' and it's one square foot at a time.  I think the ceiling will take about a year by itself.

Now that house is in such bad shape that Dan doesn't usually stay there.  He stays a a condo he bought in town a mile or two away.  He also has another house that he had in the country when he was working full time - which is probably 20 miles away.  In addition to this, his husband has his own house that he bought before they got married.  So at any given time, he could be at one of four houses - one, at least, definitely does not have a cell phone. 

He also boast about not having a cell phone like it's a good thing.  In some way I think he feels superior to others who have 'let technology take over their lives.'  That until recently.

He got a cell phone a few months ago.  He realizes you can call him at one number and get a hold of him, or leave him a message.  He can also look things up, find restaurants, directions, and has opened a who new world Dan didn't realize he was missing.  Sure he saw people who had them, and some of the things he did, but until he lived with one, he never quite realized what it would mean for him to have one.

But I think if you lived with a Kinect for a while it you would more useful than you could have thought.

The problem with your example is that there's nothing useful you can do with Kinect that you can't do with a remote control or controller. However with a cell phone you can do lots of useful things in situations where those things would be impossible to do if you didn't have one. Car broken down on the side of the road in stormy weather: with cellphone, call for help while staying safe and dry in your car; without cellphone, get drenched walking to the nearest house / shop / phone booth in order to call for help.


that's the thing, controller and remote to me are like cassette tapes are to BR today in comparaison. yeah they do the same but are you really trying to tell me they are better than the new tech, I don't think so... so much that when I watch regular TV I sometime say XB pause and find out then I'm using that dumb TV and have to look for the remote, just to realize I just grabed the TV remote instead of the cable box remote and now I just grabed the AVR one and can't find that damn cable box one.... now I have missed more than a minute of my show, my noodles are over cooked and watter boiled over all over the stove top, when I finally find the cable remote I'm so pissed I can't find the pause button, when I press I realize the batteries are out and I end up throwing the TV through the window....
no seriously that lame excuse of there isn't anything X cna't do Y can't do is the lamest argument ever.... I could use that one with about any evolutive tech product. Smartphones for example, I can do calls with a rgular phone, I can save my contacts and meeting hours in a paer agenda, I can have the TV programm in my local newspaper I get everyday, I can save my picture in my familly album like my grandma did, I can record videos on VHS camcorders, I can play traveling board games in the bus or use a good old 80s walkman to listen to music why do I need a smartphone it doesn't do anything useful I couldn't do before right ???



People willing to pass on a fine piece of technology is beyond me.
Maybe people *itching about it wasn't even planning on buying it anyway.