A day-one patch, whilst annoying, is nothing to be upset about. It's the state of modern gaming, unfortunately, and is very common.

However, a game with an offline component that ships without all the code required to play it offline is a worrying precedent. And an exclusive one (in that it excludes some gamers).

As a gamer, I would rather the game was shipped when it was finished. Or, at the very least, finished enough that it can be played. However, now it seems that it's fine to ship a game before it can even be properly played.

Not cool.

Finish your game first, then ship it. If that means missing an arbitrary launch window, then so be it. Just give me a game that works.

lol classic MS.. One time activation is another thing.. but not being able to play it at all without a DLC is just fail on so many level... and I m sure people defending this as some sort of smart move, are the same people who complained about PS3 Installation and not being able to play the game right away from the disc like 360 did!! what a flip flop... MS thanks for the ammo!

yeah make sens...

but if XB is zone free in theory I can buy a game in japan and play it on a US bought XB.... but content on the marketplace will be region based as always.... otherwise everybody would be buying in the cheapest market.... nothing new here....

you got me worried for a sec lol

Chopping this quote tree before VGKing gets here - Kresnik.

meh, it was just the 24 hour check in i was worried about. this is minor, all games get updates. this is just nit picking now.

so wait some people are actually arguing that they would rather have a buggy game beta for 60 bucks with no required patch so they can play offline even though they more than likely have a perfectly working connection.... than have a game that has a mandatory day one patch that corrects already those bugs and add more value to the game....

Am I reading that correctly.....

I'd take a Forza 5 with mandatory day one patch over any buggy GT game with non mandatory patch....

Holly jeebus the gaming community is revealing the worst they have in them lately, a bunch of cry babies for nothing, with excuses for everything.... it looks like a bunch a pre teen having their first PMS.... and I'm not talking about PS vs XB only..... it's just a big shame to be part of the community lately.... hopefully a lot of those naysayer will actually die out soon... it is just tarnishing our image, and making that hobby really hard to enjoy in a public setting.... I miss those days when console war was more about teasing, than trying to twist everything into a big negatives out of almost nothing....

I'd rather they not ship the product until its actually a complete game; this isn't a bug fix patch, this is a missing content being put into the game by a developer that has been forced to push a game out the door before it's complete.

I'm expecting all launch games to require this "One time connection" since they were being made with DRM in mind before MS gave up of this idea, Future games won't need this.

nah I don't think so... the Xbox 1 day one patch is taking care of that....
nah they got a different approach here than usual.... games usually are shipped unfinished and are lacking at launch.... here instead of going gold with half a car and track roster and leave a bunch of bugs in.... they decide to make a mandatory patch day one so the game will have all its quality and will be on schedule.... it would be outside of launch window they would have probably pushed the date....

to me it is smart in the sense that it will be impossible to have bad ratings on a game that hasn't been patched because the reviewer was offline when testing the gaming... it is a good commercial move toward critics... especially with a genre like car sim that is really sensible to those

but I don't really see why people are after turn 10.... if they buy an XB at launch they'll have to have an internet connection to patch the XBone anyway.... so just patch forza at the same time.... people with no internet connection won't be able to play XB1 anyway....

So let me get this straight.......

The majority of people in this thread, if they had a choice between

1) Having a game pushed back to get in all the content/features the developer had planned

and

2) Having the game come out as planned, and getting all that content day one with the simple condition of a day one patch to enable the game to work

You would pick option 1?
Because what.....after dropping 560 bucks on the console and the game you no longer have money left to pay for internet? No way for you to download a quick patch? Man....I think you people got bigger problems.

Seriously. When did an internet connection become this mythical beast? When did downloading a patch for the game to work become an unacceptable inconvenience?

When I bought MGS4, I had to wait about 40 minutes for a system update, and a mandatory install before I could play the game. If I hadn't had a connection for that system update, I would have been screwed there too. And since PS3 updates take ages, that was actually much more of an ordeal. You guys are complaining about a patch?! I mean for god's sake....

I think what people are getting at, and this is nothing new, is that it's taking the day 1 patch one step further.
This has been a major complaint on all forums worldwide; the idea of day 1 patches hurt the industry.

There used to be a time when developers made a game, and couldn't just fix it in a patch, so they just made a quality game right at the outset. In some cases, this created glitches and cheats, but for the most part you just bought a game, brought it home, and played it. I don't think I'm the only person who has inserted a game only to be told it would need a patch, then cancel out and play something else.

Without being connected, you can pretty much avoid this whole thing. Hell, back in my early twenties I was getting my internet shut off all the time, and for lack of other entertainment, I would turn to playing on my ps2.

I'm not trying to make a big deal about this forza thing, because it really is a big game being brought to launch as quickly as possible, which xbox fans will want. They want a big franchise to play immediately. That's understandable both from the consumer and developer standpoint.

The question is "where do we go from here". Forza isn't the first, and it won't be the last first day patcher. This is simply another case of a bigger issue that gamers have taken up cause against, and because forza pushes that boundary a little further, it makes everything seem as if the people who are tired of patches haven't been listened to at all...no, in fact they're losing more ground now. Does that make sense? It may seem trivial (it is to me), but that doesn't mean I don't get that people just don't have internet in some places, or that patching annoys people. I can at least relate to that, because it's personally something that stopped me from playing a game.