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Chazore said:
JEMC said:

 

If you can wait, I think that the best decision is that, wait. Unfortunately for me, I have a 5850, and if you look at that table... yeah

yeah I've been doing that for a while but really how much longer do we have to wait though?, I mean the 980 is one of the latest and it's apparently not cutting it too well with some games on max which is worrying, I really don't want to stay with my 680 for another 2 years let alone another full year since it means having to dial back down more settings which to me defeats one of the reasons I got into PC gaming, I'm in it for the mods, free online, cheap games, sales and mostly performance and eye candy, settling for less isn't really my forte, not when I've settled for less for years to a point where it;s crushed my expectations and hopes for so long.

The problem of the 980, from my point of view, is that it's not a real upgrade from Nvidia's GTX 7X0 series.

If we look at the past of Nvidia cards, they name their chips into 3 classes: high, mid and low. Using the Keppler cards to make my point, there are the GeForce Keppler GK110, which are the high end chips with a 384-bit bus for the memory (that's why it comes in odd numbers like 3 or 6GB), then there are the GK104 chips, which are the mid class with a 256-bit bus memory (and have pair number of VRAM like 2 or 4GB), and then the GK106 for the lower ones. The GTX680 2GB was a GK104 card, a mid class card, but it performed so well (and the 28nm process was still getting ironed) that Nvidia had no problems using it as their flagship cards for a full year, when the Titan and the GTX 780 3GB arrived with their GK110 chips in them.

And then the time came to launch the new Maxwell cards on a new and smaller node process... that unfortunately never arrived. But they had to launch new cards so they took their Maxwell cards and fitted them into the existing 28nm, and the result was the GM204 chip used in the GTX980 4GB card.

And that's the problem, the GM204/GTX 980 is a real upgrade from the chip it replaces, the GK104/GTX 680, but offers very little performance gain over the GTX 7X0 series because they were not designed to replace them. And the Titan X with its GM200 chip is the max Nvidia can push Maxwell on 28nm.

Maybe the 980Ti will be what you want, TitanX or better performance with 6GB at a lower price.



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I've started playing it yesterday, and, tbh, I'm not so sure I'll keep on until I get better GPU (7970 currently)...maybe even wait for DX12 support and/or Enhanced edition of game.



HoloDust said:
I've started playing it yesterday, and, tbh, I'm not so sure I'll keep on until I get better GPU (7970 currently)...maybe even wait for DX12 support and/or Enhanced edition of game.

Do you think they'll port it to the newer APIs?



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JEMC said:
HoloDust said:
I've started playing it yesterday, and, tbh, I'm not so sure I'll keep on until I get better GPU (7970 currently)...maybe even wait for DX12 support and/or Enhanced edition of game.

Do you think they'll port it to the newer APIs?


I'm more or less certain they'll do DX12, not sure for other.



JEMC said:

The problem of the 980, from my point of view, is that it's not a real upgrade from Nvidia's GTX 7X0 series.

If we look at the past of Nvidia cards, they name their chips into 3 classes: high, mid and low. Using the Keppler cards to make my point, there are the GeForce Keppler GK110, which are the high end chips with a 384-bit bus for the memory (that's why it comes in odd numbers like 3 or 6GB), then there are the GK104 chips, which are the mid class with a 256-bit bus memory (and have pair number of VRAM like 2 or 4GB), and then the GK106 for the lower ones. The GTX680 2GB was a GK104 card, a mid class card, but it performed so well (and the 28nm process was still getting ironed) that Nvidia had no problems using it as their flagship cards for a full year, when the Titan and the GTX 780 3GB arrived with their GK110 chips in them.

And then the time came to launch the new Maxwell cards on a new and smaller node process... that unfortunately never arrived. But they had to launch new cards so they took their Maxwell cards and fitted them into the existing 28nm, and the result was the GM204 chip used in the GTX980 4GB card.

And that's the problem, the GM204/GTX 980 is a real upgrade from the chip it replaces, the GK104/GTX 680, but offers very little performance gain over the GTX 7X0 series because they were not designed to replace them. And the Titan X with its GM200 chip is the max Nvidia can push Maxwell on 28nm.

Maybe the 980Ti will be what you want, TitanX or better performance with 6GB at a lower price.

Ideally a 980ti would be nice but are you suggesting I go with a 780ti instead?, I mean how long will that support me performance/settings wise (not very technical in the realm of GPU's btw).

I'm basically trying to build a new spec near the end of this month/start of June in order to play most if not all my games I'm grabbing this year on max (minus settings like the ones nvidia throws in since I don't see gains on any of them) with a standard 1080 monitor (currently stuck on 1366x768 and it's driving me nuts now).



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@HoloDust: I'm not so confident. I'm quite sure that they will adopt DX12 for Cyberpunk 2077, but I don't think they'll bother to rewrite the code for The Witcher 3.

 

@Chazore: Oh, no! The 980 is a better card than the 780Ti, that's for sure, and the logical upgrade if you have a 680. It's a little faster than the 780Ti, has more VRAM and uses less power. I was just saying that the true successor for the 780Ti hasn't been launched yet.

Also I'd hold a little more your purchase because both AMD and Nvidia will reveal their new cards (AMD the 3X0 series, Nvidia the 980Ti) in June at Computex or E3, and that will give you more options to get a better GPU and will probably shake the market a little bit, forcing some cards to go down in price.



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JEMC said:

@Chazore: Oh, no! The 980 is a better card than the 780Ti, that's for sure, and the logical upgrade if you have a 680. It's a little faster than the 780Ti, has more VRAM and uses less power. I was just saying that the true successor for the 780Ti hasn't been launched yet.

Also I'd hold a little more your purchase because both AMD and Nvidia will reveal their new cards (AMD the 3X0 series, Nvidia the 980Ti) in June at Computex or E3, and that will give you more options to get a better GPU and will probably shake the market a little bit, forcing some cards to go down in price.


If it's that soon I can wait lol, I just hope AMD shakes it up enough that nvidia for once tries to play the price right instead of is having good power but being hella expensive like they are known to be.



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JEMC said:

@HoloDust: I'm not so confident. I'm quite sure that they will adopt DX12 for Cyberpunk 2077, but I don't think they'll bother to rewrite the code for The Witcher 3.


Well, they said they are thinking about it, and given their history of Enhanced editions, it gives me pretty good reason to think they will dedicate some man-hours into making it happen.



HoloDust said:
JEMC said:

@HoloDust: I'm not so confident. I'm quite sure that they will adopt DX12 for Cyberpunk 2077, but I don't think they'll bother to rewrite the code for The Witcher 3.


Well, they said they are thinking about it, and given their history of Enhanced editions, it gives me pretty good reason to think they will dedicate some man-hours into making it happen.

Tweaks in the code to make it run better and also to the game (like the new inventory systems introduced in the past games) are what I expect. A major work on the game code to add DX12?

What can I say, only that I'll believe it when I see it?



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