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Is Obama doing enough to deal with Climate Change?

yes 5 13.16%
 
no 9 23.68%
 
don't know 7 18.42%
 
I don't trust Obama in any situation 17 44.74%
 
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Kasz216 said:
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Oh we haven't.  It's just the bulk majority of earlier research suggested the water vapor effect would be worse.  Really the truth is... we still have no idea though.  Hell we're not even really sure why it hasn't warmed up as much as the models say it should.  Right now it's a combination of deep sea tempetrue increasing more/chinese coal clouds.

Yes. It is important to communicate to the public though, that our "we have no idea" is a very definite and informed understanding of the world, while deniers' supposed certainty on it not existing isn't based on anything. 

At the same time scientists need to not let the news media call every warm spell or hurricane a surefire sign of climate change.

Science in general is really poorly communicated right now. When I look at actual paper behind such articles as "Tea prevents cancer" I find it's a tiny effect from thousands of automated tests on a dataset the scientists didn't even collect themselves, and they didn't make a single claim about the mechanism that tea might do so, or even if the effect would show up again if re-tested. Yet it spawned some big and certain-sounding headlines. The really sad part is that the general public can't even check, because the original (despite being publicly funded) is behind a journal paywall.



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Soleron said:
Kasz216 said:
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Oh we haven't.  It's just the bulk majority of earlier research suggested the water vapor effect would be worse.  Really the truth is... we still have no idea though.  Hell we're not even really sure why it hasn't warmed up as much as the models say it should.  Right now it's a combination of deep sea tempetrue increasing more/chinese coal clouds.

Yes. It is important to communicate to the public though, that our "we have no idea" is a very definite and informed understanding of the world, while deniers' supposed certainty on it not existing isn't based on anything. 

At the same time scientists need to not let the news media call every warm spell or hurricane a surefire sign of climate change.

Science in general is really poorly communicated right now. When I look at actual paper behind such articles as "Tea prevents cancer" I find it's a tiny effect from thousands of automated tests on a dataset the scientists didn't even collect themselves, and they didn't make a single claim about the mechanism that tea might do so, or even if the effect would show up again if re-tested. Yet it spawned some big and certain-sounding headlines. The really sad part is that the general public can't even check, because the original (despite being publicly funded) is behind a journal paywall.


I agree with all that 100%.  The Journal's thing being the biggest thing.

Scientific Journals are really pretty good reads too... it'd suck if i ever lost access to them.

it's great to, because once you learn how to read a scietnific article you can read anything from brain surgery, to physics, to psychology, and it's all pretty easy to understand.



Kasz216 said:
Soleron said:
Kasz216 said:

Green Energy policies should really only be about preserving local greenery.

Attempting to stop climate change is the height of folly. You wouldn't be able to do anything comprehensive and useful without threat of war.


Carbon exporting/ demand for fossil fuels being FAR greater then supply means that all you do by giving up cheap energy is allow that cheap energy to be used by others.

 

It's like trying to save yourself a slice of pizza at a college frat party.  It's now or never for that Pizza.

Pretty much this. I'd be much happier with a $50 billion commitment to fusion research, and a stopgap plan to expand nuclear fission capacity.


Or really ANY renewables.  Renewable enrgy research or even any alternate energy research is awesome.   Trying to stop using fossil fuels though only hurts us, with no actual enviromental benefit.  

Instead of spending more for gas, we should use those savings on scientific research.

 

That's how China got so good at renewables. (well that and hacking American solar companies.)

That works both ways my friend

 

OP: Anyways hope that pipeline would decrease the price of gas, but its probably wont do much. 



 

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Kasz216 said:
the2real4mafol said:
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I dont really have an issue with the underlying points of his ideas... HOWEVER what i do want to ask him is HOW ON EARTH does he plan to produce energy? Right now apart from Nuclear and Fossil fuels No other energy source is capable of generating sufficient energy to meet our needs... Unfortunately Nuclear reprocessing has been outlawed so Nuclear isnt nearly as cost effective or clean as it could be and for that It will be forever demonized... that leaves us with... Fossil fuels... Cool

Just because renewable energy isn't very good now doesn't mean it will always be this way. It's a fairly new technology, it just needs some investment and should be fine in a few years. Either way, we can't stick with fossil fuels. If the climate didn't change, we would still have to change as our over consumption of fossil fuels means they will run out very quickly and the consequences would be devastating if we suddenly had no energy. Just look at the panic caused by petrol shortages. We are humans, we can and must progress before it is too late. 

You should look into the proccess and waste it takes to make solar panels and then what happens to them when no longer in use thrown/out and the negative effects that biofuels have on world hunger causing starvation.

Nuclear really is still the best option.   Except not really because it's near impossible to build in the US/takes too long.

 

I never supported Biofuels, they are such a waste of time. Why grow fuel, when something like 2 billion people are mal-nourished? 

As i said before, Solar isn't great but what technology is decent at first? The sun's heat is a huge energy source and yet we are not even using it. It's crazy. But the problem is, that it will be all we have one day as fossil fuels run out. We can already see the signs of it, as people are more willing to take risks when it comes to drilling oil which are also far more polluting than before. Just look at tar sands in Alberta and the possibility of drilling in the Arctic. 

Stuff like wind and geothermal are also good. There must be a way of getting energy from all the hurricanes and tornadoes that the US gets. Also, for geothermal. The US has Yellowstone park which could create a lot of energy in some way. Iceland manages to create alot of energy from geothermal. 

Nuclear is ok but they need to sort out ways of dealing with all that waste. But it is good enough until renewable solutions can make a good amount of our energy.

Our main problem is how do we meet our energy demands but not damage the environment too much but also keep things sustainable? It is our biggest challenge so far. Also, i don't think we should rely on what type of energy too much, it must be as diverse as possible 



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