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Either option 2 or 3 is the most likely, nature is all around us and it's something we still fail to understand or respect to this very day. If god is real, it's around us in nature



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Why would God create anything?



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arrogantly believing that a god doesn't exist for certain

is no less delusional at this stage than arrogantly believing that a god created everything for certain

people tend to think that we've come a long way in these matters with science but really and truly we actually haven't

ask any physicist or person trained in quantum mechanics or whatever what energy is or where it comes from or gravity for that matter etc for example



Option 3, really. The more we understand about the depths of physics, the more we understand that our universe is really, really weird, making the possibility that the whole thing is just a random firing just as probable as the other explanations.

This does not preclude the existence of God, of course, because a God who exists beyond the rationally explicable can neither be proven nor disproven.

And unless said God/Gods/Elder Ones are working on a very subtle scale, it is at least provable that they are not intervening in our day to day affairs.



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adriane23 said:
SxyxS said:
Rab said:

How could a God be created? What is it's beginning?


how could the universe be created?What is it's beginning?

 

it is easier and more plausible to believe that something almighty that exists beyond time,matter and space has created time matter and space than that the universe incl. all laws hat created itself out of nothing without reason,will  or substance to create even one atom.

Fixed your sentence for you. No need to thank me.

you fixed it wrong.

it really is more plausible(i'm agnostik therefore i'm not defending religions or gods)

but there is 0 explanation untill know and never will be to explain why something occured out of nothing but  something(we call it supernatural-it does not have to be god,just some kind of consciousness,intelligence,mind that exists beyond our dimension and natural law.

I've read several scientific theories and as soon as you reach the origin of creation the theories turn from science into ridicouluos shit with 0 proof.take the big bang,the string theory etc-they all fail far more than hindhuistic,bhuddhistic,indian,christian beliefs to explain the motivation and origin of beginning.



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Porcupine_I said:
Why would God create anything?


To worship him!



option 1) God has always been around and then set about making the uinverse.

This is not the simplest explanation.  Where did god come from, why did he set about making the universe and why did he make it this way it is a horifically hostile place?  How did he learn to create universes? What tools did he use? How did he concieve of something that did not exists and then fabricat it, in a week to boot?  Where is this god then anyway, we can't observe or interact with him in any measurable way?

Option 2) The universe has always existed.

We have a compelling scientific narative based on evidence for the origins of life the universe and everything back to the big bang, and some compelling hypothesis for things beyond that and it all works without an overseeing agent.

This narative is based on reasoned and evedence backed observations of the universe something we all experience.

 

Between the two the second is clearly the simpler explanation.



If you dont believe in god, then you are delusional, This universe could not have created it self. The way this universe operates precisely, could only be a creation of some one, and its god. If anything goes a bit of its track in this world, the whole world will break down. i.e. sun comes closer a bit or further a bit.

Human was not created by universe nor created by its own. Human is a great example of god's creation.



MS10 said:
well I believe in God from my own life experiences.

and I like science.

but all most everything science tells us is theory.and they never stand the test of time and all most always get replace with a new theory.

the big bang,evolution,just theory's.

and I have a question I don't understand maybe some one can help me out.

I thought animal evolved to survive?why did monkeys evolved into humans but then stay monkeys also?

and how did dinosaurs get wiped out in one mass event but some how also evolved in to birds?

God is real ask him to show you.but take it serious.


MS10, this could help you out.

 

http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/1560/



Rab said:

How could a God be created? What is it's beginning?


God always existed.

Logical proof:

God #1 wanted to create the universe.

But before God #1 can create the universe, he needed God # 2 to create him.

But before God #2 can create God#1, he needed God#3 to create him

But before God#3 can create God#2, he needed God#4 to create him

And this keeps going on and on for an infinite series...

Will God#1 ever be able to create the universe? But we live in the universe, so God #1 must have always existed and not created for this to happen. If he had a creation dependancy, then the universe would not be possible.