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twilight_link on 04 May 2013
S.Peelman said:
The only reason there is a religion (any), is because people back when they were invented couldn't come up with a better way to explain our existence. They didn't have science, they couldn't explain anything, they couldn't prove anything.

In today's age, with numerous ways to prove all kinds of things, I don't see how the simple answer of 'something just made everything, for the fun of it', is in any way the most likely way to explain our existence. Let alone having to explain how that 'something' came into existence and gained self-concience itself in the first place. That said, I also don't believe mankind today has all the answers figured out, and we probably never will. For now, option 2 is by far the most likely, with a hint of option 3.


the science was invented in 4th century BCE after Aristotle, long before christianity.



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S.Peelman on 04 May 2013
NobleTeam360 said:
S.Peelman said:
The only reason there is a religion (any), is because people back when they were invented couldn't come up with a better way to explain our existence. They didn't have science, they couldn't explain anything, they couldn't prove anything.

In today's age, with numerous ways to prove all kinds of things, I don't see how the simple answer of 'something just made everything, for the fun of it', is in any way the most likely way to explain our existence. Let alone having to explain how that 'something' came into existence and gained self-concience itself in the first place. That said, I also don't believe mankind today has all the answers figured out, and we probably never will. For now, option 2 is by far the most likely, with a hint of option 3.

Yet with all that science they still can't disprove God exists or doesn't exist. 

Nice. If you can't prove it exists it's highly likely it doesn't exist. I can't prove Santa and Bigfoot does or doesn't exist, so I guess I'm going to believe they exist then.

EDIT: The1 and Nem already commented perfectly anyway. And Nem's response is better too .



S.Peelman on 04 May 2013
AnthonyW86 said:
S.Peelman said:
The only reason there is a religion (any), is because people back when they were invented couldn't come up with a better way to explain our existence. They didn't have science, they couldn't explain anything, they couldn't prove anything.

In today's age, with numerous ways to prove all kinds of things, I don't see how the simple answer of 'something just made everything, for the fun of it', is in any way the most likely way to explain our existence. Let alone having to explain how that 'something' came into existence and gained self-concience itself in the first place. That said, I also don't believe mankind today has all the answers figured out, and we probably never will. For now, option 2 is by far the most likely, with a hint of option 3.

Yup people are afraid of the unknown. And what better way to deal with that then create an entity that doesn't just explain things but watches over us aswell? I really think it's the ''watching over'' part that makes religion appeal to so many people, since it gives meaning to their lives and kind of paints a line of good and evil.

Agreed



BluGamer23 on 04 May 2013
Rab said:

How could a God be created? What is it's beginning?


you see with the human limited mind you cannot possibly comprehend how/what/when/why is God.. okay so yeh jus give up..

 

think of it this way.. its like explaining how a computer works to an ant.. and probably way more harder than that.



 

 

S.Peelman on 04 May 2013
twilight_link said:
S.Peelman said:
The only reason there is a religion (any), is because people back when they were invented couldn't come up with a better way to explain our existence. They didn't have science, they couldn't explain anything, they couldn't prove anything.

In today's age, with numerous ways to prove all kinds of things, I don't see how the simple answer of 'something just made everything, for the fun of it', is in any way the most likely way to explain our existence. Let alone having to explain how that 'something' came into existence and gained self-concience itself in the first place. That said, I also don't believe mankind today has all the answers figured out, and we probably never will. For now, option 2 is by far the most likely, with a hint of option 3.


the science was invented in 4th century BCE after Aristotle, long before christianity.

You know what I meant. 'Science' in ancient times was purely based on observation with the human eye and logic and extremely primitive compared to the studies we know today. Besides, religion didn't start with Christianity. Religion is older than science. I'm not debunking Aristotle and the like's accomplishments of course, those people provided the foundation for everything.



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Boutros on 04 May 2013
Jos8f said:

But they'll say that "science would eventually prove it.... in the mean time lets just not believe in god"

 

Remember, it is easier to not follow rules. It's funny because I could have sworn almost every religion who oppose each other proves that Jesus (Peace be upon him) talked in his crib claiming he came from god.... Not neccessarily his son(atleast I don't believe in that) but he came with a message. Even moses (peace be upon him) came with a message,  if you look deep enough, and Mohammad(peace be upon him and his progeny), if you simply open a book

 

But lets stay on the existence of god. So the people who disbelieve in god are saying that we came from nothing, we became something , and we are going to nothing?

 

Religion is made up to control groups? A child (a few days old) made up a religion? Really!?

 

Regardless. Here is a long text where Prophet mohammad's Grandson answers all the questions you guys are posing in a simple manner. Its funny because that incident took place almost a thousand years ago, and still the same questions.... http://www.al-islam.org/short/halila/4.htm

 

 

And please don't boycott it because it is an islamic text. The problem with this world is they don't want to read anymore. Just like when some "Muslim" does some tarrorist activity, it is reflected on the whole faith, where if one dares to read the Quran (which was revealed about 1434 years ago, and still unchanged) condemns these acts and, in fact, explains the extreme punishments from god for people who carrry suchacts. For example

 

" For that cause We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. Our messengers came unto them of old with clear proofs (of Allah's Sovereignty), but afterwards lo! many of them became prodigals in the earth. " Quran Chapter 5, verse 32.

 

I have been living in Canada/US(back and forth) for 20 years now( almost all my life) and one thing is for certain,most  people like to be told what to think rather than simply open a book and find your answers.Maybe because no one likes reading anymore. Where is that entertaining game that explains religion better!? Bioshock infinite!? I Kid I Kid

 

Cheers.

The answers to these questions are not in a book.



twilight_link on 04 May 2013
S.Peelman said:
twilight_link said:
S.Peelman said:
The only reason there is a religion (any), is because people back when they were invented couldn't come up with a better way to explain our existence. They didn't have science, they couldn't explain anything, they couldn't prove anything.

In today's age, with numerous ways to prove all kinds of things, I don't see how the simple answer of 'something just made everything, for the fun of it', is in any way the most likely way to explain our existence. Let alone having to explain how that 'something' came into existence and gained self-concience itself in the first place. That said, I also don't believe mankind today has all the answers figured out, and we probably never will. For now, option 2 is by far the most likely, with a hint of option 3.


the science was invented in 4th century BCE after Aristotle, long before christianity.

You know what I meant. Science in ancient times was purely based on observation with the human eye and logic and extremely primitive compared to the studies we know today.

the science in ancient world was science it was build upon experiments and deductive reasoning, they invented scientific methods, whether it was primitive or not is not important.

 

it has great tradition in natural philosophy and then syntehesis of greek natural philosophy and babylonian long history of observation created science.



MS10 on 04 May 2013

well I believe in God from my own life experiences.

and I like science.

but all most everything science tells us is theory.and they never stand the test of time and all most always get replace with a new theory.

the big bang,evolution,just theory's.

and I have a question I don't understand maybe some one can help me out.

I thought animal evolved to survive?why did monkeys evolved into humans but then stay monkeys also?

and how did dinosaurs get wiped out in one mass event but some how also evolved in to birds?

God is real ask him to show you.but take it serious.



Sevengen on 04 May 2013

1. (pre-societal/paleolithic/early human history) the belief in beings more powerful than ourselves is born from ignorance of the world around us. it serves as an explanation for physical phenomenon, thunderstorms, drought, eclipses, rain, bounty.... a key aspect of this early god-driven dynamic, and something that supports my second point, is the existence of 'many' gods. Human beings, the human mind, had not yet evolved to point where 'self' was a defining characteristic. The knowledge of actually being 'alive' was not understood.
2. (early society) Hunter-gatherers begin to form the nascent constructs that would give birth to modern societies. Human beings begin to evolve socially at an exponential rate in comparison to earlier ancestors and with that, began to define themselves as individuals. As the definition of 'us' began to materialize, so did the definition of our early gods. We went from the many gods of early cavemen, to the more individualized gods of Greek and Roman culture. The correlation of our own evolution to the evolution of our gods is an extremely powerful argument against the existence of any gods at all. Simpy put, as we evolved, so did our gods.
3. (late Greek to mid Roman Empire) the idea of self is now fully realized socially. People 'know' that they are alive, that they are individuals and unique. Not surprisingly, our Gods suddenly become individual and unique; the Greek set of Gods, the similar Roman set... this evolves further and the idea of many gods becomes intellectually obsolete. Judaism and Christianity become popular. The idea of 'one' god for 'one' person, my God, replaces the earlier ideas of many gods. Simpy put, as we evolved, so did our gods.
4. (late Roman Empire and beyond) the idea of many gods disappears completely. the philosophy of 'self' and 'everlasting life' becomes the dominant principle of then and future religions. the power of that is effectively put to use by the few to control the many.
5. (now) because of the basic human need to understand and the selfish desire (we know that we're alive, how could we possibly want to give that life up) to live forever .. religion persists.



Gamerace on 04 May 2013

Just because we don't understand a thing doesn't mean that God must be involved.

Just because we understand a thing doesn't mean that God wasn't involved.

God is beyond human comprehension, if He is not, then He is a human conception. And anything beyond our ability to truly comprehend isn't going to be boxed into our definition of what a God could/should be.

I reject the notion that life is a series of cosmic 'accidents' that happened randomly (and continues to do so daily). So I accept that there is something greater than my understanding involved.