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Tachikoma on 10 February 2013

What always gets me is the (and i'm being broad with the statement here) usually console-only owners who are under the impression that to own a high end PC costs thousands of dollars - they may well be true if you go out and buy the latest Dell, Alienware, OriginPC or so on computer, pre built and shipped to your door with nothing needed to be done on your end, but if you have a basic grasp of motor functions and literacy to read a manual, shopping around for the best parts-per-price and building your own can result in a very capable (resulting in higher quality than current consoles) machines with plenty of upgrade room - Major pc hardware sites often run articles comparing mid to high range graphics cards offering the reader the best suggestions for which card gives the best performance for the price - for example back at launch, running two 560TI's in sli gave much higher performance than a single GTX580, and buying two 560TI's was much cheaper than the single GTX580.
Many, many articles show that for $350-$500 you can buy a rig capable of running most games at 1080p perfectly fine as long as you're willing to drop some of the eye candy a little (4x aa instead of 16x and so on), indeed if you're also willing to overlook brand names and go with the less show-y parts, while you may end up with a very nondescript and generic looking box, the performance offered will be much more appealing.

People really need to drop the notion that you need to spend the earth to play pc games on high settings.



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Tachikoma on 10 February 2013
Otakumegane said:
Tachikoma said:
thranx said:
what would you consider a high end computer? (or video card) steam has great stats that can answer how big the high end pc market is.

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

I am curious to know myself. I dont think the high end pc market is very big. I used to be a high end pc gamer, ahttps://www.google.com/search?q=how%20many%20GTX680%20for%20sale%20at%20launch&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-and when I was I never knew any other person in real life with a high end pc, and there weren't a lot on gaming sites either. Our pc community here is rather small, and I only see maybe 3 high end pc owners. I am still a pc gamer, but no longer stay at the high end

In UK, US Japan, Korea, Russia and many other places, regular LAN events are held where thousands upon thousands of pc gamers congregate to play games and socialize - this is only the very tip of a very large iceberg.

Consider the following, 1.6 million GTX680 gpu's were produced and released within the first week on sale globally (numbers direct from our contact at Nvidia) - In virtualy all physical and online retailers the GPU was sold out by the end of the first week, despite new units hitting the market the card is still highly saught after and some websites even have a stock level tracker up (even now) so people can find one to buy - a GPU that launched at a price point higher than the PS3, and yet they sold 1.6 million.

The price makes the thought of many people buying two for SLI not a common occurance, so if we make a bold estimate and say that 100,000 people bought two for SLI, then we're still left with 1.4 million people with a very high end graphics card, in the space of one week. - this doesnt account for the people that didnt upgrade because they already felt their setups were fast enough (560ti, sli, 580, sli owners and so on).

In Korea I'm sure most of those cards are bought by PC "cafes" rather than consumers.

Just how many PC cafes do you think Korea has? and no, in general PC cafes don't go balls the the wall all out on their hardware because of the level of use it gets, they scale back their specifications enough to keep operating costs down while providing the detail and quality their customers want (read above post about gaming on pc without spending a fortune)



Tachikoma on 10 February 2013
JWeinCom said:
Console gamer rationalizations are fun. I'm a console guy myself (rockin an off the shelf 300 dollar laptop). Consoles do have advantages. Exclusives, simplicity, never having to upgrade, far more of my friends use them for multiplayer, and so on. Image quality however is not one of console gaming's advantages.


That's the beauty of the new platforms though - As i've said in this thread the original launch titles will look better than existing consoles, but over time they will look absolutely beautiful - and this transition of quality will translate over to PC for non-pc exclusive titles - as currently many multi platform games suffer when the lead engine platform wasn't the PC, which is sadly the case for many of them. - Obviously the overall visual fidelity is better from the advantages of a PC but the game assets and such do get scaled back in multi-platform titles unless the studio has developed the PC and console versions independantly (like Crysis 3).

People in this thread assume i'm some sort of PC fangirl hell bent on stomping console gamers hopes - when in actual fact i have been saying all along that 'eventually' the ps4/720 games will look great - just not at launch.



JWeinCom on 10 February 2013
Tachikoma said:
JWeinCom said:
Console gamer rationalizations are fun. I'm a console guy myself (rockin an off the shelf 300 dollar laptop). Consoles do have advantages. Exclusives, simplicity, never having to upgrade, far more of my friends use them for multiplayer, and so on. Image quality however is not one of console gaming's advantages.


That's the beauty of the new platforms though - As i've said in this thread the original launch titles will look better than existing consoles, but over time they will look absolutely beautiful - and this transition of quality will translate over to PC for non-pc exclusive titles - as currently many multi platform games suffer when the lead engine platform wasn't the PC, which is sadly the case for many of them. - Obviously the overall visual fidelity is better from the advantages of a PC but the game assets and such do get scaled back in multi-platform titles unless the studio has developed the PC and console versions independantly (like Crysis 3).

People in this thread assume i'm some sort of PC fangirl hell bent on stomping console gamers hopes - when in actual fact i have been saying all along that 'eventually' the ps4/720 games will look great - just not at launch.


I'm honestly not sure what absolutely beautiful means in this context.  I'd say lots of games from X-Box 360 and PS3, and even games from less powerful consoles like the Wii, Gamecube, and PS2 are absolutely beautiful.  I think we've reached a point where artistic direction will far outweigh raw power.



thranx on 10 February 2013
Tachikoma said:
thranx said:
what would you consider a high end computer? (or video card) steam has great stats that can answer how big the high end pc market is.

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

I am curious to know myself. I dont think the high end pc market is very big. I used to be a high end pc gamer, ahttps://www.google.com/search?q=how%20many%20GTX680%20for%20sale%20at%20launch&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-and when I was I never knew any other person in real life with a high end pc, and there weren't a lot on gaming sites either. Our pc community here is rather small, and I only see maybe 3 high end pc owners. I am still a pc gamer, but no longer stay at the high end

In UK, US Japan, Korea, Russia and many other places, regular LAN events are held where thousands upon thousands of pc gamers congregate to play games and socialize - this is only the very tip of a very large iceberg.

Consider the following, 1.6 million GTX680 gpu's were produced and released within the first week on sale globally (numbers direct from our contact at Nvidia) - In virtualy all physical and online retailers the GPU was sold out by the end of the first week, despite new units hitting the market the card is still highly saught after and some websites even have a stock level tracker up (even now) so people can find one to buy - a GPU that launched at a price point higher than the PS3, and yet they sold 1.6 million.

The price makes the thought of many people buying two for SLI not a common occurance, so if we make a bold estimate and say that 100,000 people bought two for SLI, then we're still left with 1.4 million people with a very high end graphics card, in the space of one week. - this doesnt account for the people that didnt upgrade because they already felt their setups were fast enough (560ti, sli, 580, sli owners and so on).

unless i'm reading it wrong it looks like the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 is les than 1% of steam users at .89% . so what other cards as that doesn't seem like a large percent of the pc market. At least for the west were many gamers use steam. I dont know what cards are considered high end.

 

 





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swii26 on 10 February 2013
newgroundsguru said:

PCs are for the internet and photoshop. Why pump money into a computer for gaming? With all the hacks and mods the games always feel like bastardised versions anyway. Not to mention that i would rather play my games on the couch with my 47" 1080p Flat screen then in a office chair on a 17" moniter.. But thats just my opinion :3


I take it you haven't used Steams Big Picture? HDMI hookup to any HDTV and it gives you the console feel, its designed to be used with a controller :)



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VGKing on 10 February 2013

Even PC games will benefit greatly from the leap in technology next-gen consoles will have. Even PC-only gamers will have something to celebrate next-gen. The increase in graphics and everything on PS4/720 games will directly improve the quality of PC games as well.

I'm not even going to mention 1st party PS4/720 games. Now that is something to look forward to. Everyone will be blown away.



Otakumegane on 10 February 2013
Tachikoma said:
Otakumegane said:
Tachikoma said:
thranx said:
what would you consider a high end computer? (or video card) steam has great stats that can answer how big the high end pc market is.

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

I am curious to know myself. I dont think the high end pc market is very big. I used to be a high end pc gamer, ahttps://www.google.com/search?q=how%20many%20GTX680%20for%20sale%20at%20launch&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-and when I was I never knew any other person in real life with a high end pc, and there weren't a lot on gaming sites either. Our pc community here is rather small, and I only see maybe 3 high end pc owners. I am still a pc gamer, but no longer stay at the high end

In UK, US Japan, Korea, Russia and many other places, regular LAN events are held where thousands upon thousands of pc gamers congregate to play games and socialize - this is only the very tip of a very large iceberg.

Consider the following, 1.6 million GTX680 gpu's were produced and released within the first week on sale globally (numbers direct from our contact at Nvidia) - In virtualy all physical and online retailers the GPU was sold out by the end of the first week, despite new units hitting the market the card is still highly saught after and some websites even have a stock level tracker up (even now) so people can find one to buy - a GPU that launched at a price point higher than the PS3, and yet they sold 1.6 million.

The price makes the thought of many people buying two for SLI not a common occurance, so if we make a bold estimate and say that 100,000 people bought two for SLI, then we're still left with 1.4 million people with a very high end graphics card, in the space of one week. - this doesnt account for the people that didnt upgrade because they already felt their setups were fast enough (560ti, sli, 580, sli owners and so on).

In Korea I'm sure most of those cards are bought by PC "cafes" rather than consumers.

Just how many PC cafes do you think Korea has? and no, in general PC cafes don't go balls the the wall all out on their hardware because of the level of use it gets, they scale back their specifications enough to keep operating costs down while providing the detail and quality their customers want (read above post about gaming on pc without spending a fortune)


Considering I lived in Korea half my life...There's a lot.



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Normando on 10 February 2013

"So why don't you want to call the PS4 and 720 "next gen"?"

Because you're pretentious.



VGKing on 10 February 2013
JWeinCom said:
Tachikoma said:
JWeinCom said:
Console gamer rationalizations are fun. I'm a console guy myself (rockin an off the shelf 300 dollar laptop). Consoles do have advantages. Exclusives, simplicity, never having to upgrade, far more of my friends use them for multiplayer, and so on. Image quality however is not one of console gaming's advantages.


That's the beauty of the new platforms though - As i've said in this thread the original launch titles will look better than existing consoles, but over time they will look absolutely beautiful - and this transition of quality will translate over to PC for non-pc exclusive titles - as currently many multi platform games suffer when the lead engine platform wasn't the PC, which is sadly the case for many of them. - Obviously the overall visual fidelity is better from the advantages of a PC but the game assets and such do get scaled back in multi-platform titles unless the studio has developed the PC and console versions independantly (like Crysis 3).

People in this thread assume i'm some sort of PC fangirl hell bent on stomping console gamers hopes - when in actual fact i have been saying all along that 'eventually' the ps4/720 games will look great - just not at launch.


I'm honestly not sure what absolutely beautiful means in this context.  I'd say lots of games from X-Box 360 and PS3, and even games from less powerful consoles like the Wii, Gamecube, and PS2 are absolutely beautiful.  I think we've reached a point where artistic direction will far outweigh raw power.

Take a look at a games like Call of Duty....ever take a close look at a wall or some object? It looks absolutely horrible.

Ever played a game such as Dark Souls and experience slow downs while combat got intense? Ever wish dead bodies didn't just disappear in games?

The point is that there is a lot of room for improvement in games. Not only will they "look" more beautiful, but they will RUN much better. If anything talone would be reason enough for people to buy the next Playstation or Xbox.