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WiiU - Lots of new Info - Same poor result. Why Nintendo Direct just confirms my fears.

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RolStoppable said:
CCFanboy said:
Can someone tell me the difference between red ocean and blue ocean?

Red ocean means to compete head to head in an established market. Companies cannibalize each other and profit margins get slimmer. Red ocean, because that's the color the sea turns into when the sharks go at each other. In business terms, companies begin to bleed money and only the strongest survive.

Blue ocean means to differentiate oneself and create new values. Sidestepping the competition in order to sell to consumers who are underserved by other companies. By being the only company to address a certain demand, the profit margins are high and the growth can be huge.

In a red ocean, the company that has the most resources usually comes out on top. That's why it would be wise for a company like Nintendo to not directly compete with Microsoft who have an enormous amount of money.


That's why I feel so bad for Sony.  Any market MSFT wades in turns into instant red sea.  They got jaws and they are after blood.  



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RolStoppable said:Red ocean means to compete head to head in an established market. Companies cannibalize each other and profit margins get slimmer. Red ocean, because that's the color the sea turns into when the sharks go at each other. In business terms, companies begin to bleed money and only the strongest survive.

Blue ocean means to differentiate oneself and create new values. Sidestepping the competition in order to sell to consumers who are underserved by other companies. By being the only company to address a certain demand, the profit margins are high and the growth can be huge.

In a red ocean, the company that has the most resources usually comes out on top. That's why it would be wise for a company like Nintendo to not directly compete with Microsoft who have an enormous amount of money.


Thanks for clearing that up. Nintendo have really done their own thing since Iwata took over. So if microsoft decide to go the casual route then that is their choice.



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After reading the whole debacle, I see this thread is more like a ideals clashing with Wii fans (the OP) and Nintendo fans (majority of us). And Nintendo trying to establish a middle ground, but we already heard Nintendo said they're going for core-gamers even before the WiiU was out, so I really don't see the point in this, only if it Nintendo off-shoot themselves too much on either side. But at this time it's too early to tell and just lead to speculation...



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Hynad said:

That being said, I wasn't talking about next gen consoles per-se. Just the nonsense you mentioned about resolution. Which I already addressed in one of my earlier post. You mentioned 2k resolution into the mix. 2K is so close to 1080p (2048 × 1152 compared to 1920x1980) that mentioning it as a likely future new standard is silly at best. 4K is definitely going to be the next evolution. But even until it becomes the standard, 1080p still hasn't been maxed by console, and even PCs barely manage to take full advantage of it, let alone any higher resolution. GPUs are still going to evolve, get faster, capable of rendering more per frames, etc, even if the resolution remains at 1080p. 

Hey, go play Call of Duty 3 in 1080p. Then put Skyrim, Witcher 2 or Crysis 2 at that same resolution. If this doesn't give you the big picture, I don't know what will.

True, there will be some improvements, but I'm currently playing recently released games on my gaming PC rig, which was built in mid 2011, and while the graphics are good, with excellent hardware, the imrpovements aren't dramatic over the best-looking 360/PS3 game. Neither Sony nor MS will go towards the high end of GPUs, due to costs, so at best, they'll be on par with my PC's graphic card, and I'm rolling with 16 GB ram inside, and 6 cores at 3.2 ghz/core, and 1Gb ram on my vid card. So even if the specs are comparable to my current PC, there's not going to be a "Oh my God this looks sooo much better" response between current gen and Sony/MS next gen machines, nowhere close to the jump from SD to HD.

The point is, it's going to require both Sony and MS to move in a different direction to make the sale this time around.



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mushroomboy5 said:
I don't get why any self confessed long term nintendo fan would be concerned about whether nintendo follow the blue ocean strategy or not (unless, of course, they own shares in the company)

I too am a grumpy old man and I've been a fan of nintendo for years and I couldn't be happier to see them catering to their core audience. While I would obviously rather see nintendo succeed, saleswise, as a fan I'd rather be playing a 3d mario game or a new zelda any day over a new wii sports title.

Why was everyone in the world angry when nintendo (allegedly) focused on 'so-called' casual fare, now everyone in the world seems angry when nintendo aren't? (although Game and Wario, Wii Fit U and Wii U Party make me wonder if this is actually the case!)


In answer to this question - I wouldn't classify myself as a Nintendo fan but as a Wii Fan.  Before Wii I was strictly a PC gamer. 



 

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Hynad said:
Wyrdness said:

"Powerwise WiiU isn't significantly better than current gen system."


Err what?







The isn't a current gen game on PS3 or 360 in the same ball park as this with this sheer scale.

Yeah, this game looks quite awesome!

And I can't wait to get my hands on Wind Waker HD. My favorite in the series. As long as they keep the charm of the original version, I won't be disappointed! =)

Its an impressive game considering its a Wii U exclusive but it doesn't blow me away. The game is possible on PS3/360. Nothing mindblowing happening in there.



VGKing said:
Hynad said:
Wyrdness said:

"Powerwise WiiU isn't significantly better than current gen system."


Err what?







The isn't a current gen game on PS3 or 360 in the same ball park as this with this sheer scale.

Yeah, this game looks quite awesome!

And I can't wait to get my hands on Wind Waker HD. My favorite in the series. As long as they keep the charm of the original version, I won't be disappointed! =)

Its an impressive game considering its a Wii U exclusive but it doesn't blow me away. The game is possible on PS3/360. Nothing mindblowing happening in there.


Yeah, of course. Because we all know there is nothing impressive or mindblowing on the PS360. 



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