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Yakuzaice on 14 January 2013
TheLastStarFighter said:
Why on earth would you expect systems with less than 5% of the install base of the others to have games among the top sellers? That's silly.

The 360, Wii, and PS3 all had games in the top 40 in a similar time frame after launch.  The Wii U also had a sku with a bundled game which accounted for 60% of launch week hardware.  The barrier to enter the top 40 is probably 1.5k or less.  That means if the Wii U hardware split is the same, it only needed 2.5k sales for a game to enter the top 40.  What happened to the guy who was so confident that the Wii U was selling out that you now think expecting 2.5k a week is silly?



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ninjablade on 14 January 2013
Yakuzaice said:
TheLastStarFighter said:
Why on earth would you expect systems with less than 5% of the install base of the others to have games among the top sellers? That's silly.

The 360, Wii, and PS3 all had games in the top 40 in a similar time frame after launch.  The Wii U also had a sku with a bundled game which accounted for 60% of launch week hardware.  The barrier to enter the top 40 is probably 1.5k or less.  That means if the Wii U hardware split is the same, it only needed 2.5k sales for a game to enter the top 40.  What happened to the guy who was so confident that the Wii U was selling out that you now think expecting 2.5k a week is silly?

I was gonna tell him the samething, the wii u is basically dead at arrival, its like it never came out in europe.



Argh_College on 14 January 2013

i´ve called it since the beggining...

The market doesnt want Wii U or Vita when 360 and Ps3 can do better things than those Consoles...

Why would people waste money on Wii U when they can get better Consoles with better games, better online, better support, Better 1st party, better everything ??

Ps360 will keep their dominance until Next Gen Arrives, then Wii U will be just like the Wii, no support from anyone, the only difference is that not even Nintendo will sell anymore on their platform.

its dead, just like Vita. At least on Europe. Americas will Follow. Japan will buy that thing though.

Nintendo had luck with Wii, they were allways last on each generation, luck doesnt stand forever, they had luck 4years, they will be back to their place now once again - LAST.

They will keep dominanting where they are best, handhelds.



zhao3gold on 14 January 2013

Regarding to GT and FZ:

For the gamers only have PS3, if they want to play racing simuation game, which one is their chocie? GT5, GT5 and GT5 in the entire generation.

On the other hand, for 360 gamers, they can choose FZ2, FZ3, FZ4 and FZ HORIZON. They will feel the improvements in each title and have the brand new experience in each title.

I think it is a great and smart way to have more LTD sales for one game: Just don't release the sequel and make gamers have no other choice. For sure, in this case, the cumulative sales will be very high comparing to the competition title which is refreshed in every year.



Argh_College on 14 January 2013

On a Side note:

Great 360 and Ps3 SW all across Europe... Nice to see Halo 4 Charting everywhere... Halo is getting bigger now since the decline from Halo 3 to ODST and Reach.

But its finnally back, i expect it to Reach at least 9M this year if its not bundled, i think MS will bundle 360 with Halo 4 and Horizon for holidays 2013 and price cut the 360 since 720 is coming this year.

360 will sell pretty well this year and outsell Xbox 3 but only this year.

GT5 is a beast and will Reach 10m this year... What a monster Sony has here, too bad PD can only make games from 3 to 3 or 4 to 4 years.



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ninjablade on 14 January 2013
Argh_College said:
i´ve called it since the beggining...

The market doesnt want Wii U or Vita when 360 and Ps3 can do better things than those Consoles...

Why would people waste money on Wii U when they can get better Consoles with better games, better online, better support, Better 1st party, better everything ??

Ps360 will keep their dominance until Next Gen Arrives, then Wii U will be just like the Wii, no support from anyone, the only difference is that not even Nintendo will sell anymore on their platform.

its dead, just like Vita. At least on Europe. Americas will Follow. Japan will buy that thing though.

Nintendo had luck with Wii, they were allways last on each generation, luck doesnt stand forever, they had luck 4years, they will be back to their place now once again - LAST.

They will keep dominanting where they are best, handhelds.

very good post i have been saying the samething. gamers now more then ever are really aware of what's going on in the gaming industry because of xbox live and psn, online play has attracted a huge crowd and has turned a casual gamer into a hardcore , sony and microsoft better have enough systems to sell cause they will sell out like hot cakes, imagine gamer turns on 360, go to xbox live and see al kind of avertisement for the new xbox with mind blowing graphics and tech, gamer is like wow i'm gonna be there day one, time for an upgrade.



ninjablade on 14 January 2013
CGI-Quality said:

Argh_College said:
i´ve called it since the beggining...

The market doesnt want Wii U or Vita when 360 and Ps3 can do better things than those Consoles...

- Eh, the Wii U hasn't found its way yet. In the future, things will be fine. 

Why would people waste money on Wii U when they can get better Consoles with better games, better online, better support, Better 1st party, better everything ??

- I can agree with this to a degree, but again, we are early in its life. The PS3 was a disaster in the beginning and look at what it's producing today.


Ps360 will keep their dominance until Next Gen Arrives, then Wii U will be just like the Wii, no support from anyone, the only difference is that not even Nintendo will sell anymore on their platform.

- I think this will end up 100% wrong. Unlike the Wii, the system stands a fighting chance technically and already has 3rd parties on board. I don't think the WiiU will ever be as dominant as the Wii, but it will not be unsupported either.

its dead, just like Vita. At least on Europe. Americas will Follow. Japan will buy that thing though.

- Nope. Neither the WiiU nor Vita are dead, although in the case of the latter, I'm losing faith that it will accomplish what the PSP did. 

Nintendo had luck with Wii, they were allways last on each generation, luck doesnt stand forever, they had luck 4years, they will be back to their place now once again - LAST.

- They had luck with the Wii, agreed, but they were only ever last place with one console, the Gamecube.

They will keep dominanting where they are best, handhelds.

- Remains to be seen if the WiiU picks up no steam, which I believe it will.

My take.

Wii U hasn't found its way yet, what does that even mean and anybody with some common sense would know that the ps3 started off  bad because of its price.



ninjablade on 14 January 2013
CGI-Quality said:
ninjablade said:
CGI-Quality said:

My take.

Wii U hasn't found its way yet, what does that even mean and anybody with some common sense would know that the ps3 started off  bad because of its price.

Well, I never disclosed why the PS3 had a disastrous start, that wasn't the point. And, the WiiU hasn't found its way yet, means exactly what it says. It's still competing with consoles that have solidified audiences. The best of it is ahead, and it's definitely not the "failure" that some are pegging it.

nexten is all but confirmed to be a 10x jump in graphics, not to mention tech, how is wii u gonna compete, its basically a current gen console with a touch screen controller, i don't dont see how nintendo is gonna turn this around but what ever.



ninjablade on 14 January 2013
CGI-Quality said:
ninjablade said:
CGI-Quality said:
ninjablade said:
CGI-Quality said:

My take.

Wii U hasn't found its way yet, what does that even mean and anybody with some common sense would know that the ps3 started off  bad because of its price.

Well, I never disclosed why the PS3 had a disastrous start, that wasn't the point. And, the WiiU hasn't found its way yet, means exactly what it says. It's still competing with consoles that have solidified audiences. The best of it is ahead, and it's definitely not the "failure" that some are pegging it.

nexten is all but confirmed to be a 10x jump in graphics, not to mention tech, how is wii u gonna compete, its basically a current gen console with a touch screen controller, i don't dont see how nintendo is gonna turn this around but what ever.

Next gen started with the WiiU. Always bugs me to see this fact disregarded. And whatever leap the 720 and PS4 have over the WiiU is moot, especially when specific 3rd party devs have said the system is well equipped to compete. Could it have been premature talk, sure, but I imagine they knew the specs long ago.

As for how you don't see Nintendo turning it around - I can't stress enough how much that was said of the PS3. It may be no PS2, but it's no longer digging holes for Sony. The WiiU will have even better fortunes than that, because it doesn't have that high price tag nor will it bleed billions. 

yea that was said for the ps3 but i always knew if sony lowered the price they would be back in the game, which i can't say the same for the wii u and please show me where third party devs have said it can compete with the next xbox 8 or ps4, regardless the fact of the matter is even current gen port are inferior,  maybe it can do ps4 and xbox 8 games in sub hd and running at 10 fps, even metro last develpoer comment on bad the cpu is.



Nsanity on 14 January 2013

2012's UK Top 100 Video Games

1. CALL OF DUTY: BLACK OPS II – Activision Blizzard
2. FIFA 13 – Electronic Arts
3. ASSASSIN’S CREED III – Ubisoft
4. HALO 4 – Microsoft
5. HITMAN ABSOLUTION – Square Enix
6. JUST DANCE 4 – Ubisoft
7. FAR CRY 3 – Ubisoft
8. FIFA 12 – Electronic Arts
9. THE ELDER SCROLLS V: SKYRIM – Bethesda Softworks
10. BORDERLANDS 2 – 2K Games
11. MASS EFFECT 3 – Electronic Arts
12. LEGO BATMAN 2: DC SUPER HEROES – Warner
13. NEED FOR SPEED MOST WANTED – Electronic Arts
14. FIFA STREET – Electronic Arts
15. MARIO & SONIC LONDON 2012 OLYMPIC GAMES – Sega
16. SKYLANDERS GIANTS – Activision Blizzard
17. BATTLEFIELD 3 – Electronic Arts
18. CALL OF DUTY: MODERN WARFARE 3 – Activision Blizzard
19. MAX PAYNE 3 – Rockstar
20. SLEEPING DOGS – Square Enix
21. RESIDENT EVIL 6 – Capcom
22. LONDON 2012: THE OFFICIAL VIDEO GAME – Sega
23. TOM CLANCY’S GHOST RECON: FUTURE SOLDIER – Ubisoft
24. DISHONORED – Bethesda Softworks
25. WWE ‘13 – THQ
26. LEGO THE LORD OF THE RINGS – Warner
27. FORZA MOTORSPORT 4 – Microsoft
28. NEW SUPER MARIO BROS 2 – Nintendo
29. MEDAL OF HONOR: WARFIGHTER – Electronic Arts
30. ASSASSIN’S CREED: REVELATIONS – Ubisoft
31. JUST DANCE 3 – Ubisoft
32. MARIO KART 7 – Nintendo
33. F1 2012 – Codemasters
34. BATMAN: ARKHAM CITY – Warner Bros
35. FOOTBALL MANAGER 2013 – Sega
36. SUPER MARIO 3D LAND – Nintendo
37. FORZA HORIZON – Microsoft
38. SAINTS ROW: THE THIRD – THQ
39. SKYLANDERS: SPYRO’S ADVENTURE – Activision Blizzard
40. LEGO HARRY POTTER: YEARS 5-7 – Warner
41. SNIPER ELITE V2 – 505 Games
42. SONIC GENERATIONS – Sega
43. RAYMAN ORIGINS – Ubisoft
44. FINAL FANTASY XIII-2 – Square Enix
45. DEAD ISLAND GOTY EDITION – Koch Media
46. ZUMBA FITNESS – 505 Games
47. THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN – Activision Blizzard
48. MOSHI MONSTERS: MOSHLINGS THEME PARK – Mind Candy
49. LEGO PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN – Disney Interactive
50. SSX – Electronic Arts
51. KINECT STAR WARS – Microsoft
52. TIGER WOODS PGA TOUR 13 – Electronic Arts
53. MOSHI MONSTERS: MOSHLING ZOO – Mind Candy
54. THE SIMS 3 – Electronic Arts
55. ZUMBA FITNESS 2 – 505 Games
56. CALL OF DUTY: BLACK OPS – Activision Blizzard
57. NEED FOR SPEED: THE RUN – Electronic Arts
58. PROTOTYPE 2 – Activision Blizzard
59. DIABLO III – Activision Blizzard
60. MARIO KART WII Nintendo
61. RAGE – Bethesda Softworks
62. UFC UNDISPUTED 3 – THQ
63. WWE ‘12 – THQ
64. CARS 2 – Disney Interactive
65. METAL GEAR SOLID HD COLLECTION – Konami
66. PRO EVOLUTION SOCCER 2013 – Konami
67. SKATE 3 – Electronic Arts
68. GRAND THEFT AUTO EPISODES - LIBERTY CITY – Take-Two
69. FOOTBALL MANAGER 2012 – Sega
70. UNCHARTED 3: DRAKE’S DECEPTION – Sony
71. POKEMON BLACK VERSION 2 – Nintendo
72. DARKSIDERS II – THQ
73. LEGO HARRY POTTER: YEARS 1-4 – Warner Bros
74. MARIO PARTY 9 – Nintendo
75. KINECT SPORTS – Microsoft
76. F1 2011 – Codemasters
77. KINGDOMS OF AMALUR: RECKONING – Electronic Arts
78. GRAN TURISMO 5 – Sony
79. SONIC & ALL STARS RACING TRANSFORMED – Sega
80. UDRAW STUDIO: INSTANT ARTIST – THQ
81. GRAND THEFT AUTO IV – Rockstar
82. PROFESSOR LAYTON AND THE MIRACLE MASK – Nintendo
83. ANGRY BIRDS TRILOGY – Activision Blizzard
84. KINECT DISNEYLAND ADVENTURES – Microsoft
85. LEGO BATMAN: THE VIDEOGAME – Warner Bros
86. LEGO STAR WARS III: CLONE WARS – Lucasarts
87. POKEMON WHITE VERSION 2 – Nintendo
88. TOY STORY 3 – Disney Interactive
89. GUILD WARS 2 – NCSoft
90. THE SIMS 3: PETS – Electronic Arts
91. UNCHARTED: GOLDEN ABYSS – Sony Computer Ent
92. DOOM 3: BFG EDITION – Bethesda Softworks
93. ROCKSMITH – Ubisoft
94. RESIDENT EVIL: OPERATION RACCOON CITY – Capcom
95. WII FIT PLUS – Nintendo
96. BOOK OF SPELLS – Sony
97. DANCE CENTRAL 2 – Microsoft
98. DIRT SHOWDOWN – Codemasters
99. 007 LEGENDS – Activision Blizzard
100. HALO: COMBAT EVOLVED ANNIVERSARY – Microsoft