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IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

Well, congratulations. It looks like you successfully managed to miss my entire point.

Of course people with more money should have exclusive access to more expensive things in life; people who work more or have more prestigious jobs deserve extra cash. When it comes to kids though, it is completely unfair to limit their possibilities by their parents' wallets. Kids don't choose where to be born. In a perfect world everyone would have the same options and then fully deserve whatever education and, later on, job/paycheck they choose to work for.


I would argue that it isn't lack of money that is hurting these children, it is that they're stuck in a school system with shitty teachers and awful parents ...

A woman I dated for awhile had recently moved from teaching in the public system to a private school. She earned less and worked more hours, and the school didn't have money for a basketball program (which she used to coach); but she had smaller class sizes (around 22 compared to 30), all the materials she needed, she was surrounded by good teachers who cared about what they were doing, well beahved students who tried in class, and a high level of parental involvement.

A few weeks back I was reading an article by a teacher who worked on the Native Reserves in Northern Canada about his experiences there. According to him, by the time a child is in grade 3 (about) the only time parents become involved with the school is to accuse them of racism if they fail and/or discipline the student, there are huge discipline problems in the school, and (while there is a massive budget) a large portion of their budget goes towards fixing what the students break. By the time students are in junior high school there is a massive truancy problem, a large portion of the students who show up to class are high (often from huffing gasoline) or drunk, the students (on average) are far behind their grade level in basic skills, and the handful of students who want to be in school are being constantly disturbed by the majority of students who don't. Needless to say, the only teachers who stick around are not interested in making a difference and are mostly going through the motions; and in many cases are stuck doing the job because they're not a good enough teacher to work elsewhere.

While I think that is a very dramatic/unusual example, I think it demonstrates many of the problems that exist in failing public school systems. Washington DC pays $29,000+ per student in their school system and yet has the lowest graduation rate across the country; and this is several times the cost with far worse results of charter schools and private schools. The act of signing your child up for a charter school, or paying for a private school, demonstrates an interest and dedication to education that pushing your child into a failed public school system simply doesn't; and, no matter how much is spent in that public school system it is only going to fail because the parents and teachers in the system are unwilling to make the changes necessary to put it on a successful track.



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my kids would learn more quicker with a thorough, rigorous home-schooling curriculum than moving at a snail's pace in public school to keep pace with the lowest common denominator.

Private schools are better, but they're expensive.



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mrstickball said:
the2real4mafol said:
I know it's up the parents but i don't agree with home schooling. The kid may do better in education, but they will lack vital social skills.

Anyway, out of both public and private. I prefer public schools because then everyone is actually guaranteed a fairly decent education at very low cost (it's free to go but it's funded by taxes) and so can get a decent chance at life.
I'm sorry but for a basic need like education, you shouldn't have to use your life savings just to go to a decent private school. It's not right that for a few thousand pounds a year you get a far superior education, education shouldn't be dictated by money and the free market at all, it should be there just to better a person's life .


Wrong.

Go check some of the major cities around America. They're graduating below 50% of the kids, and require over $10,000 per student. Not every school provides a great education. Heck, in my county alone, we have huge variance. The school my wife graduated from requires about $9,000 per student in taxpayer funding, and graduates about 81% of kids. Comparatively, the one I should have gone to graduates 93% of kids, and requires only $5,500 per student in taxpayer funding.

Let me throw something crazy at you:

What if private education is cheaper than public education? Where I live, it is. You know how much our local private school costs? About $4,000 per student - lower than any nearby school. That is why many that like private education believe in vouchers - that kids have the right to education, regardless of the facility. If private schools are really better, why can't you take the money you've paid into the system and send your kids to a better place if it costs the same amount of money?

In some possible cases, private may be cheaper but you have you to pay the lot up front, most people can't afford it. At least with public education, everyone pays for it in there taxes and thus it is less for a single person to pay. And unfortunately, whether it is private or not, the quality of education really varies between each school. Also, if your rely completely on the private sector, then there is bound to be gaps missed by them that public schools have to fill anyway.

It may be a bad stereotype, but i see private schools to be like this~http://www.etoncollege.com/Home.aspx



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the2real4mafol said:
mrstickball said:
the2real4mafol said:
I know it's up the parents but i don't agree with home schooling. The kid may do better in education, but they will lack vital social skills.

Anyway, out of both public and private. I prefer public schools because then everyone is actually guaranteed a fairly decent education at very low cost (it's free to go but it's funded by taxes) and so can get a decent chance at life.
I'm sorry but for a basic need like education, you shouldn't have to use your life savings just to go to a decent private school. It's not right that for a few thousand pounds a year you get a far superior education, education shouldn't be dictated by money and the free market at all, it should be there just to better a person's life .


Wrong.

Go check some of the major cities around America. They're graduating below 50% of the kids, and require over $10,000 per student. Not every school provides a great education. Heck, in my county alone, we have huge variance. The school my wife graduated from requires about $9,000 per student in taxpayer funding, and graduates about 81% of kids. Comparatively, the one I should have gone to graduates 93% of kids, and requires only $5,500 per student in taxpayer funding.

Let me throw something crazy at you:

What if private education is cheaper than public education? Where I live, it is. You know how much our local private school costs? About $4,000 per student - lower than any nearby school. That is why many that like private education believe in vouchers - that kids have the right to education, regardless of the facility. If private schools are really better, why can't you take the money you've paid into the system and send your kids to a better place if it costs the same amount of money?

In some possible cases, private may be cheaper but you have you to pay the lot up front, most people can't afford it. At least with public education, everyone pays for it in there taxes and thus it is less for a single person to pay. And unfortunately, whether it is private or not, the quality of education really varies between each school. Also, if your rely completely on the private sector, then there is bound to be gaps missed by them that public schools have to fill anyway.

It may be a bad stereotype, but i see private schools to be like this~http://www.etoncollege.com/Home.aspx

...But you could apply the same taxing principles to a voucher system that allows parents to pay for private or public education, rather than be forced into one and only one choice.

I never said you had to abandon the public school system. Simply allow them to compete on a level playing field. Ensure that every student has access to a school (with public schools ensuring that there is a minimum level of education), but allow them to go to the best schools available, up to a certain amount of money.

For example, each student is issued a voucher that covers either 1 year of public education, or up to $5,000 of private education. If the public school costs $8,000 and the student goes to the private school, then the taxpayers effectively save $3,000 on that student.



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It doesn't matter. Not one bit, in America at least. Public schools are just fine 99% of the time.

What you get out of an education is what you put into it. If a student puts no effort into their education, they will not succeed, or at least won't get good grades. Some are slower to learn than others, sure, but there are varying levels of classes(with varying reward: high school credit or possible college credit) so any hard working student can do well.

Private schools have higher graduation rates and better grades for ONE simple reason: the parents are involved in their children's education. THAT is what it's all about. THAT is why America is falling behind other countries.

A parent can be just as involved in their child's education in the public school system, and get equal results. There's no reason to send a kid to private school - the opportunities at most public schools are at least as good as what private schools offer, if not better, through extracurricular activities. (would I have been able to participate in competitive- in more ways than one- music and computer programs in private school? not likely) You can look at the graduation rates, college success, blah blah, whatever. It's all true, but the school itself has little to do with it. The student's family is key to success. Private school families are, of course, more involved.

Private school is usually a waste of money, unless in you specific situation you know you have lousy public schools with little opportunity for advanced courses and good extracurricular programs. Parents can be every bit as involved in public school. The statistics are misleading. America's public schools provide every opportunity to learn, to excel, to succeed. It's about taking advantage of those opportunities.



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mrstickball said:
the2real4mafol said:
mrstickball said:
the2real4mafol said:
I know it's up the parents but i don't agree with home schooling. The kid may do better in education, but they will lack vital social skills.

Anyway, out of both public and private. I prefer public schools because then everyone is actually guaranteed a fairly decent education at very low cost (it's free to go but it's funded by taxes) and so can get a decent chance at life.
I'm sorry but for a basic need like education, you shouldn't have to use your life savings just to go to a decent private school. It's not right that for a few thousand pounds a year you get a far superior education, education shouldn't be dictated by money and the free market at all, it should be there just to better a person's life .


Wrong.

Go check some of the major cities around America. They're graduating below 50% of the kids, and require over $10,000 per student. Not every school provides a great education. Heck, in my county alone, we have huge variance. The school my wife graduated from requires about $9,000 per student in taxpayer funding, and graduates about 81% of kids. Comparatively, the one I should have gone to graduates 93% of kids, and requires only $5,500 per student in taxpayer funding.

Let me throw something crazy at you:

What if private education is cheaper than public education? Where I live, it is. You know how much our local private school costs? About $4,000 per student - lower than any nearby school. That is why many that like private education believe in vouchers - that kids have the right to education, regardless of the facility. If private schools are really better, why can't you take the money you've paid into the system and send your kids to a better place if it costs the same amount of money?

In some possible cases, private may be cheaper but you have you to pay the lot up front, most people can't afford it. At least with public education, everyone pays for it in there taxes and thus it is less for a single person to pay. And unfortunately, whether it is private or not, the quality of education really varies between each school. Also, if your rely completely on the private sector, then there is bound to be gaps missed by them that public schools have to fill anyway.

It may be a bad stereotype, but i see private schools to be like this~http://www.etoncollege.com/Home.aspx

...But you could apply the same taxing principles to a voucher system that allows parents to pay for private or public education, rather than be forced into one and only one choice.

I never said you had to abandon the public school system. Simply allow them to compete on a level playing field. Ensure that every student has access to a school (with public schools ensuring that there is a minimum level of education), but allow them to go to the best schools available, up to a certain amount of money.

For example, each student is issued a voucher that covers either 1 year of public education, or up to $5,000 of private education. If the public school costs $8,000 and the student goes to the private school, then the taxpayers effectively save $3,000 on that student.

The thing with public is that you are guranteed a education which won't destroy your parents financially. I'm not sure if most parents want to have to look at each school about, like they are different. A school isn't a company and they shouldn't really compete with each other. Of course, they should have a chance to go to a good school, but that's often dictated by your home address. Private should be there as an option though, but public schools shouldn't be forced to go private like some of them are in the UK, currently. 



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the2real4mafol said:
mrstickball said:
the2real4mafol said:
mrstickball said:
the2real4mafol said:
I know it's up the parents but i don't agree with home schooling. The kid may do better in education, but they will lack vital social skills.

Anyway, out of both public and private. I prefer public schools because then everyone is actually guaranteed a fairly decent education at very low cost (it's free to go but it's funded by taxes) and so can get a decent chance at life.
I'm sorry but for a basic need like education, you shouldn't have to use your life savings just to go to a decent private school. It's not right that for a few thousand pounds a year you get a far superior education, education shouldn't be dictated by money and the free market at all, it should be there just to better a person's life .


Wrong.

Go check some of the major cities around America. They're graduating below 50% of the kids, and require over $10,000 per student. Not every school provides a great education. Heck, in my county alone, we have huge variance. The school my wife graduated from requires about $9,000 per student in taxpayer funding, and graduates about 81% of kids. Comparatively, the one I should have gone to graduates 93% of kids, and requires only $5,500 per student in taxpayer funding.

Let me throw something crazy at you:

What if private education is cheaper than public education? Where I live, it is. You know how much our local private school costs? About $4,000 per student - lower than any nearby school. That is why many that like private education believe in vouchers - that kids have the right to education, regardless of the facility. If private schools are really better, why can't you take the money you've paid into the system and send your kids to a better place if it costs the same amount of money?

In some possible cases, private may be cheaper but you have you to pay the lot up front, most people can't afford it. At least with public education, everyone pays for it in there taxes and thus it is less for a single person to pay. And unfortunately, whether it is private or not, the quality of education really varies between each school. Also, if your rely completely on the private sector, then there is bound to be gaps missed by them that public schools have to fill anyway.

It may be a bad stereotype, but i see private schools to be like this~http://www.etoncollege.com/Home.aspx

...But you could apply the same taxing principles to a voucher system that allows parents to pay for private or public education, rather than be forced into one and only one choice.

I never said you had to abandon the public school system. Simply allow them to compete on a level playing field. Ensure that every student has access to a school (with public schools ensuring that there is a minimum level of education), but allow them to go to the best schools available, up to a certain amount of money.

For example, each student is issued a voucher that covers either 1 year of public education, or up to $5,000 of private education. If the public school costs $8,000 and the student goes to the private school, then the taxpayers effectively save $3,000 on that student.

The thing with public is that you are guranteed a education which won't destroy your parents financially. I'm not sure if most parents want to have to look at each school about, like they are different. A school isn't a company and they shouldn't really compete with each other. Of course, they should have a chance to go to a good school, but that's often dictated by your home address. Private should be there as an option though, but public schools shouldn't be forced to go private like some of them are in the UK, currently. 


You need to look into what a voucher school system is. The parents do not pay, they get a voucher from the government and than get to choose were their child goes to school. Versus the normal public system were you have no choice, and thus schools have no reason to improve, they get their students and money either way.



thranx said:
the2real4mafol said:
mrstickball said:
the2real4mafol said:
mrstickball said:
the2real4mafol said:
I know it's up the parents but i don't agree with home schooling. The kid may do better in education, but they will lack vital social skills.

Anyway, out of both public and private. I prefer public schools because then everyone is actually guaranteed a fairly decent education at very low cost (it's free to go but it's funded by taxes) and so can get a decent chance at life.
I'm sorry but for a basic need like education, you shouldn't have to use your life savings just to go to a decent private school. It's not right that for a few thousand pounds a year you get a far superior education, education shouldn't be dictated by money and the free market at all, it should be there just to better a person's life .


Wrong.

Go check some of the major cities around America. They're graduating below 50% of the kids, and require over $10,000 per student. Not every school provides a great education. Heck, in my county alone, we have huge variance. The school my wife graduated from requires about $9,000 per student in taxpayer funding, and graduates about 81% of kids. Comparatively, the one I should have gone to graduates 93% of kids, and requires only $5,500 per student in taxpayer funding.

Let me throw something crazy at you:

What if private education is cheaper than public education? Where I live, it is. You know how much our local private school costs? About $4,000 per student - lower than any nearby school. That is why many that like private education believe in vouchers - that kids have the right to education, regardless of the facility. If private schools are really better, why can't you take the money you've paid into the system and send your kids to a better place if it costs the same amount of money?

In some possible cases, private may be cheaper but you have you to pay the lot up front, most people can't afford it. At least with public education, everyone pays for it in there taxes and thus it is less for a single person to pay. And unfortunately, whether it is private or not, the quality of education really varies between each school. Also, if your rely completely on the private sector, then there is bound to be gaps missed by them that public schools have to fill anyway.

It may be a bad stereotype, but i see private schools to be like this~http://www.etoncollege.com/Home.aspx

...But you could apply the same taxing principles to a voucher system that allows parents to pay for private or public education, rather than be forced into one and only one choice.

I never said you had to abandon the public school system. Simply allow them to compete on a level playing field. Ensure that every student has access to a school (with public schools ensuring that there is a minimum level of education), but allow them to go to the best schools available, up to a certain amount of money.

For example, each student is issued a voucher that covers either 1 year of public education, or up to $5,000 of private education. If the public school costs $8,000 and the student goes to the private school, then the taxpayers effectively save $3,000 on that student.

The thing with public is that you are guranteed a education which won't destroy your parents financially. I'm not sure if most parents want to have to look at each school about, like they are different. A school isn't a company and they shouldn't really compete with each other. Of course, they should have a chance to go to a good school, but that's often dictated by your home address. Private should be there as an option though, but public schools shouldn't be forced to go private like some of them are in the UK, currently. 


You need to look into what a voucher school system is. The parents do not pay, they get a voucher from the government and than get to choose were their child goes to school. Versus the normal public system were you have no choice, and thus schools have no reason to improve, they get their students and money either way.

ok i will, i never really heard of the vouncher system until now.

But in my country, it don't excist and we aren't forced to go to our nearest school either. As long as it's no more than an hour from home, than you can go to any school you like. It's not as open as a voucher system might be, but you still have a choice



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the2real4mafol said:
thranx said:
the2real4mafol said:

The thing with public is that you are guranteed a education which won't destroy your parents financially. I'm not sure if most parents want to have to look at each school about, like they are different. A school isn't a company and they shouldn't really compete with each other. Of course, they should have a chance to go to a good school, but that's often dictated by your home address. Private should be there as an option though, but public schools shouldn't be forced to go private like some of them are in the UK, currently. 


You need to look into what a voucher school system is. The parents do not pay, they get a voucher from the government and than get to choose were their child goes to school. Versus the normal public system were you have no choice, and thus schools have no reason to improve, they get their students and money either way.

ok i will, i never really heard of the vouncher system until now.

But in my country, it don't excist and we aren't forced to go to our nearest school either. As long as it's no more than an hour from home, than you can go to any school you like. It's not as open as a voucher system might be, but you still have a choice


All a voucher system is, is a system that allows children to go to the school of their choice, irregardless of location, up to a certain cash value, or full public education. That way, if a school is unsatisfactory (regardless if its public or private), a child is free to be removed and placed in another school. That way, failing schools have a huge incentive to get better, or face students leaving.

As it is in the US, you could literally have two schools beside each other - one failing students and horrific, and a fantastic school (both public), and the kids could be forced to go to the bad one, or face fines and jail time.



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