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Wlakiz said:

I think i said this on the other threads already but price cuts are pointless. Lowering your profit margins so you sell more is a poor business strategy. You don't want people to buy your system because it is cheap, you want them to buy it because its good.

Again, 3ds, xbox720, ps4 are so detached from the vita that their sales wouldn't affect vita's life time sales. I will use the ferrari and civic comparison again. Are ferrari's sales affected by civic sales? NO! Are iphones eating up Ipad sales? No!

Vita needs time to develope their software and content base, when that is established the sales will reflect that.


Without any trolling intent: The only thing detaching the 3DS from the vita is the difference in sales. Both are dedicated handheld consoles, one just sells way better.



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I think the price is mostly what the issue was. When the Vita was announced at $249.99, the same price the 3DS was, everyone was praising the portable, but a few months before the Vita was released Nintendo dropped the 3DS down to $169.99 and now no one wants it.

Most people will buy something because it's cheap over quality. How many people do you guys know who point out that there's a cheap 42"+HDTV and you happen to look at it and you see that it's an 60hz LCD with a less than reputable brand. The same thing with desktop PCs sold at Walmart. Anyone remember when Walmart was big on selling those really cheap emachines computers. That brand was a joke, but they sold extremely well.

I own both the Vita and the 3DS, and sure I'm a Playstation fanboy, but the quality of games released and published in the west by Sony's first party is in higher in both quantity and quality when compared to Nintendo's first party. Nintendo is getting more third party support, but most of the third party support it's getting is shovelware.

So first off, Sony should definitely lower the price of the Vita. Second. Secretly create their own "third party shovelware companies" Then have those companies' sole purchase to develop as good of a quality game as they can, with major time and budget constraints. Have them ripoff games like Nintedogs, Brain Training, etc. Which many shovelware developers have ripped off. Higher ups of these companies can keep secret to employees that Sony is involved, so these employees just think they're working for an entry level shovelware company. I think if it got out that Sony did do something like this, it'd hurt their reputation, but it's not a bad idea at all.



I bought the 3DS because it has the games I want to play on a handheld the Vita doesn't thats the difference.



KHlover said:
Wlakiz said:

I think i said this on the other threads already but price cuts are pointless. Lowering your profit margins so you sell more is a poor business strategy. You don't want people to buy your system because it is cheap, you want them to buy it because its good.

Again, 3ds, xbox720, ps4 are so detached from the vita that their sales wouldn't affect vita's life time sales. I will use the ferrari and civic comparison again. Are ferrari's sales affected by civic sales? NO! Are iphones eating up Ipad sales? No!

Vita needs time to develope their software and content base, when that is established the sales will reflect that.


Without any trolling intent: The only thing detaching the 3DS from the vita is the difference in sales. Both are dedicated handheld consoles, one just sells way better.

Wrong, Vita and 3DS's capabilities are different, different interface, different demographic target. What multiplat games have you seen between these two consoles? Dare I say none? and even if there was one, the experience would be vastly different from each other.



Wlakiz said:
KHlover said:
Wlakiz said:

I think i said this on the other threads already but price cuts are pointless. Lowering your profit margins so you sell more is a poor business strategy. You don't want people to buy your system because it is cheap, you want them to buy it because its good.

Again, 3ds, xbox720, ps4 are so detached from the vita that their sales wouldn't affect vita's life time sales. I will use the ferrari and civic comparison again. Are ferrari's sales affected by civic sales? NO! Are iphones eating up Ipad sales? No!

Vita needs time to develope their software and content base, when that is established the sales will reflect that.


Without any trolling intent: The only thing detaching the 3DS from the vita is the difference in sales. Both are dedicated handheld consoles, one just sells way better.

Wrong, Vita and 3DS's capabilities are different, different interface, different demographic target. What multiplat games have you seen between these two consoles? Dare I say none? and even if there was one, the experience would be vastly different from each other.

Seriously? Different interface? Are you going to tell me Xbox360 and PS3 are detached because the Xbox360 controller uses analog triggers while the DS3 does not? And of course there are multiplatform games, dem football games for example.



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KHlover said:
Wlakiz said:
KHlover said:
Wlakiz said:

I think i said this on the other threads already but price cuts are pointless. Lowering your profit margins so you sell more is a poor business strategy. You don't want people to buy your system because it is cheap, you want them to buy it because its good.

Again, 3ds, xbox720, ps4 are so detached from the vita that their sales wouldn't affect vita's life time sales. I will use the ferrari and civic comparison again. Are ferrari's sales affected by civic sales? NO! Are iphones eating up Ipad sales? No!

Vita needs time to develope their software and content base, when that is established the sales will reflect that.


Without any trolling intent: The only thing detaching the 3DS from the vita is the difference in sales. Both are dedicated handheld consoles, one just sells way better.

Wrong, Vita and 3DS's capabilities are different, different interface, different demographic target. What multiplat games have you seen between these two consoles? Dare I say none? and even if there was one, the experience would be vastly different from each other.

Seriously? Different interface? Are you going to tell me Xbox360 and PS3 are detached because the Xbox360 controller uses analog triggers while the DS3 does not? And of course there are multiplatform games, dem football games for example.

Seriously, you don't see the difference in interfaces? Dual screen vs 1 screen, back and front touch screen.. dual analog sticks vs one?

Is the experience on the football the game the same on both plat? Are you seriously torn which version to get? :/



Vita is already been pricecutted, it is 199 and 239 euros respectively for each model, plus retailers add a free game and memcard....they are basically pulling everything they have on their sleeve to sell, and still deosnt work very well.....they did something similar with the WiiU, bundling it with NSMBU for only 10$ more



Wlakiz said:
KHlover said:
Wlakiz said:
KHlover said:
Wlakiz said:

I think i said this on the other threads already but price cuts are pointless. Lowering your profit margins so you sell more is a poor business strategy. You don't want people to buy your system because it is cheap, you want them to buy it because its good.

Again, 3ds, xbox720, ps4 are so detached from the vita that their sales wouldn't affect vita's life time sales. I will use the ferrari and civic comparison again. Are ferrari's sales affected by civic sales? NO! Are iphones eating up Ipad sales? No!

Vita needs time to develope their software and content base, when that is established the sales will reflect that.


Without any trolling intent: The only thing detaching the 3DS from the vita is the difference in sales. Both are dedicated handheld consoles, one just sells way better.

Wrong, Vita and 3DS's capabilities are different, different interface, different demographic target. What multiplat games have you seen between these two consoles? Dare I say none? and even if there was one, the experience would be vastly different from each other.

Seriously? Different interface? Are you going to tell me Xbox360 and PS3 are detached because the Xbox360 controller uses analog triggers while the DS3 does not? And of course there are multiplatform games, dem football games for example.

Seriously, you don't see the difference in interfaces? Dual screen vs 1 screen, back and front touch screen.. dual analog sticks vs none?

Is the experience on the football the game the same on both plat? Are you seriously torn which version to get? :/

No, I'm not torn since football games do belong on a home console, not on a handheld :P

Where did you get your info about the 3DS, though? It HAS an analog stick (well, not exactly a stick, still serves the same function though) and can be expanded to two analog sticks.

But if you want to see them completely detached, that's also fine. It even allows me to give a good reason why the sales are so low: The target demographic is too narrow (teens with the need for a portable PS3 - I guess...?) and additionally misunderstood. No one would want to be seen with a handheld in public, phones are much more desired.  



Otakumegane said:
Sony will likely pay Capcom obscene amounts for MH. (Is is possible Capcom might have purposely not made it yet to squeeze $$ off Sony after recognizing that the Vita would be dead without it?)

There will at least be 1 on the Vita.


Sony doesnt have obscene ammounts of money.

Also, its their fault in the first place for messing with capcom's plans.

 

They need to lose the arrogance. The PS3 and the Vita are doing wonders for that. A real eye-opener.



BasilZero said:
DieAppleDie said:
Vita is already been pricecutted, it is 199 and 239 euros respectively for each model, plus retailers add a free game and memcard....they are basically pulling everything they have on their sleeve to sell, and still deosnt work very well.....they did something similar with the WiiU, bundling it with NSMBU for only 10$ more


Isnt 239 euros = $319?

199 euros = $265

 

That seems like normal prices with some tax (here in the US). o.o

Man they must of beefed up the prices in Europe ;x, glad I dont live there ;x.

Wifi bundle here is = $249.99 + tax
3G bundle is = $299.99 + tax

They need to drop the 3G bundle and lower the memory card prices.

It is but I don't think Sony takes into account currency exchange. Example when the Vita launched it was $299 and 299 euros even though the 299 euros is obviously more when converted into dollars. A lot of companies do this. It's so effed up but it happens.