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dahuman said:

Maybe it's time that we point our guns to the right people as the 2nd amendment's true intention suggests...... :P

that video always makes me tear up.



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VGKing said:
Guns aren't the problem. Just look at marijuana. Just because that is illegal, it doesn't mean people can't get their hands on it. Banning guns would mean only criminals would have access to guns...that is bad.

What we need is better mental health services so people don't have that urge to kill in the first place.

So you say we should legalise all drugs?



VGKing said:
Guns aren't the problem. Just look at marijuana. Just because that is illegal, it doesn't mean people can't get their hands on it. Banning guns would mean only criminals would have access to guns...that is bad.

What we need is better mental health services so people don't have that urge to kill in the first place.

I think gun control does work, just not in the USA. If gun control is to be implemented, this has to happen before the guns are in circulation. I think Germany is a pretty good example. Gun Control was implemented after WW2, in that time the german firearms were collected and destroyed, as a result only the Allies had access to guns, not even the police had any. Of course gun control worked. In the following years gun control was reduced, more and more guns came into circulation, but still with much regulation. As a result it is much harder to obtain illegal guns in Germany than in the US and the legal ones are strictly regulated. Of course we still had massacres in Germany, but not as many as in the US. Also gun related accidents occur far less.

In the US far too many guns are in circulation to give gun control any chance to work, also most massacres were done with legal weapons anyways. Thus I completely agree with your bolded part, mental healthcare is the key.

TL;DR: Gun control can work, but only if it is implemented at the right time. Mental healthcare is far more important.



where the hell is NATO. we need help down here?



Chrizum said:
VGKing said:
Guns aren't the problem. Just look at marijuana. Just because that is illegal, it doesn't mean people can't get their hands on it. Banning guns would mean only criminals would have access to guns...that is bad.

What we need is better mental health services so people don't have that urge to kill in the first place.

So you say we should legalise all drugs?

Not gonna get into that but yeah, Mary  Jane should be legalized and sold just like Tobacco is. It's not addicting so it isn't as dangerous. Not to mention that there isn't a single death attributed to marijuana and you can't overdose on it...



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I think this is how things should go.

-- Restrict military grade weapons to people who join a militia: either the official (state regulated one - National guard) or an unofficial militia.

-- Make sure the common population has access to basic weapons without joining an organized militia: handguns, basic rifles, etc.

This will do two things. Limit the number of weapons out there under irresponsible ownership, and encourage responsible owners to join militias, which is a good thing and is promoted by our constitution.

Not only would this decrease the chances of a lunatic accessing weapons, but it will reinstate the proper respect for human lives and weapon use that our nations (as in its definition of peoples - U.S is not a nation-state) once had.

This would be smart legislation that works, and it would transition the U.S into something a bit more like Switzerland.

The only reason why nobody would push for this is because liberals want to ban guns entirely and neo-conservatives want to centralize the military power within the standing military. The paleo-conservatives, known as the tea party, would be a minority in this battle. So the next best thing is to keep things how they are until the dust settles and proper judgement can be made without extreme emotions influencing decisions.



sc94597 said:

I think this is how things should go.

-- Restrict military grade weapons to people who join a militia: either the official (state regulated one - National guard) or an unofficial militia.

-- Make sure the common population has access to basic weapons without joining an organized militia: handguns, basic rifles, etc.

This will do two things. Limit the number of weapons out there under irresponsible ownership, and encourage responsible owners to join militias, which is a good thing and is promoted by our constitution.

Not only would this decrease the chances of a lunatic accessing weapons, but it will reinstate the proper respect for human lives and weapon use that our nations (as in its definition of peoples - U.S is not a nation-state) once had.

This would be smart legislation that works, and it would transition the U.S into something a bit more like Switzerland.

The only reason why nobody would push for this is because liberals want to ban guns entirely and neo-conservatives want to centralize the military power within the standing military. The paleo-conservatives, known as the tea party, would be a minority in this battle. So the next best thing is to keep things how they are until the dust settles and proper judgement can be made without extreme emotions influencing decisions.

I'm sorry, America needs a militia?

A militia. Guns are so out of control you need to hire or just gather a group of gun owners to protect against other gun owners form shooting each other. That will end well.

This thread is ridiculous! 



sc94597 said:

I think this is how things should go.

-- Restrict military grade weapons to people who join a militia: either the official (state regulated one - National guard) or an unofficial militia.

-- Make sure the common population has access to basic weapons without joining an organized militia: handguns, basic rifles, etc.

This will do two things. Limit the number of weapons out there under irresponsible ownership, and encourage responsible owners to join militias, which is a good thing and is promoted by our constitution.

Not only would this decrease the chances of a lunatic accessing weapons, but it will reinstate the proper respect for human lives and weapon use that our nations (as in its definition of peoples - U.S is not a nation-state) once had.

This would be smart legislation that works, and it would transition the U.S into something a bit more like Switzerland.

The only reason why nobody would push for this is because liberals want to ban guns entirely and neo-conservatives want to centralize the military power within the standing military. The paleo-conservatives, known as the tea party, would be a minority in this battle. So the next best thing is to keep things how they are until the dust settles and proper judgement can be made without extreme emotions influencing decisions.

I have no idea if something like this is at all feasible in the US but at least it sounds reasonable and is in the flavour of what I was alluding to in my post.



LinkVPit said:
sc94597 said:

I think this is how things should go.

-- Restrict military grade weapons to people who join a militia: either the official (state regulated one - National guard) or an unofficial militia.

-- Make sure the common population has access to basic weapons without joining an organized militia: handguns, basic rifles, etc.

This will do two things. Limit the number of weapons out there under irresponsible ownership, and encourage responsible owners to join militias, which is a good thing and is promoted by our constitution.

Not only would this decrease the chances of a lunatic accessing weapons, but it will reinstate the proper respect for human lives and weapon use that our nations (as in its definition of peoples - U.S is not a nation-state) once had.

This would be smart legislation that works, and it would transition the U.S into something a bit more like Switzerland.

The only reason why nobody would push for this is because liberals want to ban guns entirely and neo-conservatives want to centralize the military power within the standing military. The paleo-conservatives, known as the tea party, would be a minority in this battle. So the next best thing is to keep things how they are until the dust settles and proper judgement can be made without extreme emotions influencing decisions.

I'm sorry, America needs a militia?

A militia. Guns are so out of control you need to hire or just gather a group of gun owners to protect against other gun owners form shooting each other. That will end well.

This thread is ridiculous! 

Educate yourself on the matter and you'll understand. The founding fathers were proponents of militias INSTEAD of a standing military. The militias are there for many reasons. The most important one in today's context is during riots. The main argument for keeping automatic and semi-automatic weapons among the populace is that they acted as protection during the LA riots (and similar.) With militias this makes a non-governmental military body. It must be non-government so that they can't be used to oppress the people.  Look at countries like Switzerland where homicides are nearly non-existant, because instead of a standing military they have a militia, and hence have gun regulation without the harmful effects of gun laws and it without a government monopoly on the weapons. Banning guns entirely won't get rid of the 300 million that are out there. When political states like the UK and Australia banned guns only a few hundreds of thousands were meant to be destroyed.  There are 90 guns for every 100 people in the U.S. It is unfeasible to destroy them or cofiscate even a small minority, especially when the owners are so commited to their natural rights and wouldn't give up their weapons without massive conflicts. The best solution is to promote education and regulation via the militias, which are entirely organized by the people and society. 



sc94597 said:

I think this is how things should go.

-- Restrict military grade weapons to people who join a militia: either the official (state regulated one - National guard) or an unofficial militia.

-- Make sure the common population has access to basic weapons without joining an organized militia: handguns, basic rifles, etc.

This will do two things. Limit the number of weapons out there under irresponsible ownership, and encourage responsible owners to join militias, which is a good thing and is promoted by our constitution.

Not only would this decrease the chances of a lunatic accessing weapons, but it will reinstate the proper respect for human lives and weapon use that our nations (as in its definition of peoples - U.S is not a nation-state) once had.

This would be smart legislation that works, and it would transition the U.S into something a bit more like Switzerland.

The only reason why nobody would push for this is because liberals want to ban guns entirely and neo-conservatives want to centralize the military power within the standing military. The paleo-conservatives, known as the tea party, would be a minority in this battle. So the next best thing is to keep things how they are until the dust settles and proper judgement can be made without extreme emotions influencing decisions.


well the thing is any able body person can be a militia.... me with my guns is a militia. so i agree. i should be able to keep my Ak-47, AK-74, SCAR-17s, Glock 19 gen 4, Glock 19, Glock 17, Henry Repeater, AR-15, Mossberg 500, and smith and wesson .38 special, and Ruger 10-22. i just need more ammo, i only have ~1500 7.62 rounds, 700 .308 rounds, 1000 9mm rounds, 1200 5.45 rounds, 300 5.56. im running low