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sc94597 on 21 December 2012
killerzX said:
sc94597 said:
the2real4mafol said:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/21/sacred-text-us-gun-habit

If he truly understood the constitution he'd understand why it is important to be vigilant when following it. Even the slightest compromise could mean all of our rights. Hell, we see this in European countries with their much larger (and ever-increasing) censhorship policies and a lack of many individuals freedoms  that we'd have protected against here. The only reason there isn't tyranny in these political states is because of international intervention. 

The rights given in the Bill of Rights aren't things that change with time. They're absolute rights of nature, and are necessary for free men to exist. 

I'm starting to see how true Alexander Hamilton was, even today with this following quote. 

 

"Foreign influence is truly the Grecian horse to a republic. We cannot be too careful to exclude its influence."

Alexander Hamilton, Pacificus, No. 6, July 17, 1793

many of the founders didnt want the bill of rights because they though it was redundent, as we already had said rights.

Yes! I have this book:

 

and about a quarter of it is  an argument about the institution of the Bill of Rights, by many of the framers. However; I'm quite glad they were explicit by labelling these rights, otherwise the republic would have failed long ago. 



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the2real4mafol on 22 December 2012
sc94597 said:
the2real4mafol said:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/21/sacred-text-us-gun-habit

If he truly understood the constitution he'd understand why it is important to be vigilant when following it. Even the slightest compromise could mean all of our rights. Hell, we see this in European countries with their much larger (and ever-increasing) censhorship policies and a lack of many individuals freedoms  that we'd have protected against here. The only reason there isn't tyranny in these political states is because of international intervention. 

The rights given in the Bill of Rights aren't things that change with time. They're absolute rights of nature, and are necessary for free men to exist. 

I'm starting to see how true Alexander Hamilton was, even today with this following quote. 

 

"Foreign influence is truly the Grecian horse to a republic. We cannot be too careful to exclude its influence."

Alexander Hamilton, Pacificus, No. 6, July 17, 1793

I think the bill of rights should have stuff added to it that apply to the modern age. Keep all the rights that are there already but add to them. Things have changed alot since 1776. Freedom of things like the Internet must be protected and it must be done now. 



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sc94597 on 22 December 2012
the2real4mafol said:
sc94597 said:
the2real4mafol said:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/21/sacred-text-us-gun-habit

If he truly understood the constitution he'd understand why it is important to be vigilant when following it. Even the slightest compromise could mean all of our rights. Hell, we see this in European countries with their much larger (and ever-increasing) censhorship policies and a lack of many individuals freedoms  that we'd have protected against here. The only reason there isn't tyranny in these political states is because of international intervention. 

The rights given in the Bill of Rights aren't things that change with time. They're absolute rights of nature, and are necessary for free men to exist. 

I'm starting to see how true Alexander Hamilton was, even today with this following quote. 

 

"Foreign influence is truly the Grecian horse to a republic. We cannot be too careful to exclude its influence."

Alexander Hamilton, Pacificus, No. 6, July 17, 1793

I think the bill of rights should have stuff added to it that apply to the modern age. Keep all the rights that are there already but add to them. Things have changed alot since 1776. Freedom of things like the Internet must be protected and it must be done now. 

It's perfectly valid to amend the constitution. It's just very hard, which is the major issue people have with it.  All of the Bill of Rights applies to the internet though, at least implicitly. But if we have to declare such explicitly then it will happen. 



the2real4mafol on 22 December 2012
sc94597 said:
the2real4mafol said:
sc94597 said:
the2real4mafol said:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/21/sacred-text-us-gun-habit

If he truly understood the constitution he'd understand why it is important to be vigilant when following it. Even the slightest compromise could mean all of our rights. Hell, we see this in European countries with their much larger (and ever-increasing) censhorship policies and a lack of many individuals freedoms  that we'd have protected against here. The only reason there isn't tyranny in these political states is because of international intervention. 

The rights given in the Bill of Rights aren't things that change with time. They're absolute rights of nature, and are necessary for free men to exist. 

I'm starting to see how true Alexander Hamilton was, even today with this following quote. 

 

"Foreign influence is truly the Grecian horse to a republic. We cannot be too careful to exclude its influence."

Alexander Hamilton, Pacificus, No. 6, July 17, 1793

I think the bill of rights should have stuff added to it that apply to the modern age. Keep all the rights that are there already but add to them. Things have changed alot since 1776. Freedom of things like the Internet must be protected and it must be done now. 

It's perfectly valid to amend the constitution. It's just very hard, which is the major issue people have with it.  All of the Bill of Rights applies to the internet though, at least implicitly. But if we have to declare such explicitly then it will happen. 

Well it don't seem like it, when governments around the world are trying to do all they can to control the internet. Remember SOPA and PIPA? or the ITU conference in the UN? They all wanted to restrict the internet, one day they might succedd 



Xbox One, PS4 and Switch (+ Many Retro Consoles)

'When the people are being beaten with a stick, they are not much happier if it is called the people's stick'- Mikhail Bakunin

Prediction: Switch will sell better than Wii U Lifetime Sales by Jan 1st 2018

sc94597 on 22 December 2012
the2real4mafol said:
sc94597 said:
the2real4mafol said:
sc94597 said:
the2real4mafol said:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/21/sacred-text-us-gun-habit

If he truly understood the constitution he'd understand why it is important to be vigilant when following it. Even the slightest compromise could mean all of our rights. Hell, we see this in European countries with their much larger (and ever-increasing) censhorship policies and a lack of many individuals freedoms  that we'd have protected against here. The only reason there isn't tyranny in these political states is because of international intervention. 

The rights given in the Bill of Rights aren't things that change with time. They're absolute rights of nature, and are necessary for free men to exist. 

I'm starting to see how true Alexander Hamilton was, even today with this following quote. 

 

"Foreign influence is truly the Grecian horse to a republic. We cannot be too careful to exclude its influence."

Alexander Hamilton, Pacificus, No. 6, July 17, 1793

I think the bill of rights should have stuff added to it that apply to the modern age. Keep all the rights that are there already but add to them. Things have changed alot since 1776. Freedom of things like the Internet must be protected and it must be done now. 

It's perfectly valid to amend the constitution. It's just very hard, which is the major issue people have with it.  All of the Bill of Rights applies to the internet though, at least implicitly. But if we have to declare such explicitly then it will happen. 

Well it don't seem like it, when governments around the world are trying to do all they can to control the internet. Remember SOPA and PIPA? or the ITU conference in the UN? They all wanted to restrict the internet, one day they might succedd 

I'd argue that the chances of that happening will decrease with time as the U.S Congress becomes more computer and internet literate, and as the population becomes so as well. Yes, they were big issues and many senators and representatives opposed them, enough so that it fizzeled out for a bit to work out problems.. The U.S Constitution is domestic law, so what other countries do, we (Americans) have far less control over.  Because of checks and balances, as well as historical protests, I think there is safety under the first amendment. However; we are losing our second and fourth amendments  by the day, and with them will go the first, because they're the amendments that protect us from an absolutely powerful government. So the biggest issue for people who are anti-SOPA and PIPA is a weak adherence to the constitution, which is the only thing truly preventing these laws.



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bouzane on 22 December 2012
the2real4mafol said:
sc94597 said:
the2real4mafol said:
sc94597 said:
the2real4mafol said:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/21/sacred-text-us-gun-habit

If he truly understood the constitution he'd understand why it is important to be vigilant when following it. Even the slightest compromise could mean all of our rights. Hell, we see this in European countries with their much larger (and ever-increasing) censhorship policies and a lack of many individuals freedoms  that we'd have protected against here. The only reason there isn't tyranny in these political states is because of international intervention. 

The rights given in the Bill of Rights aren't things that change with time. They're absolute rights of nature, and are necessary for free men to exist. 

I'm starting to see how true Alexander Hamilton was, even today with this following quote. 

 

"Foreign influence is truly the Grecian horse to a republic. We cannot be too careful to exclude its influence."

Alexander Hamilton, Pacificus, No. 6, July 17, 1793

I think the bill of rights should have stuff added to it that apply to the modern age. Keep all the rights that are there already but add to them. Things have changed alot since 1776. Freedom of things like the Internet must be protected and it must be done now. 

It's perfectly valid to amend the constitution. It's just very hard, which is the major issue people have with it.  All of the Bill of Rights applies to the internet though, at least implicitly. But if we have to declare such explicitly then it will happen. 

Well it don't seem like it, when governments around the world are trying to do all they can to control the internet. Remember SOPA and PIPA? or the ITU conference in the UN? They all wanted to restrict the internet, one day they might succedd 


They already have succeeded... several times now:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_Act

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRO-IP_Act

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement



sc94597 on 23 December 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iDivHkQ2GSg



Cobretti2 on 23 December 2012

lol some of those facts are more than 10 years old. how about same real recent data.

Also crime incidents is not the same as massacres. Look at Australia. Since gun laws changed their hasn't been a mass massacre.

This is what the aim is of stricter gun laws. Preventing people from hacving access to powerful weapons to stop them committing mass kililngs. You will always get a few incidents with handguns, knives etc..