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launching both consoles in the same year is good for gamers, bad for console makers. Its flooding the market during a piss poor economy. Considering these consoles will no doubt have high price tags, it would be almost certain death for one of them. One next year, and one the following would be more ideal, rather than a brutal head to head fight.



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archbrix said:
If people really like what they see with the NeXtBox and it has a strong and impressive launch lineup, I think that Sony will have their work cut out for them if they do indeed launch in 2014. Certainly I'm not saying they'll be destined to do poorly, but it could prove hard for them to find their footing in a market with the affordable Nintendo machine (which could possibly have a 20m install base by then) and the U.S. powerhouse from Microsoft, which can easily afford to take a loss if necessary.

If it's within six months then it won't necessarily be a big deal.  If someone would rather have a Playstation, they'll probably be able to wait a few months.  Christmas isn't usually a big deal for a launch, either, as any console launching at that time will probably be dealing with supply issues.

The key point would be if the two launch dates are close enough that Sony could advertise for the PS4 during the launch of the 720.  Say if the 720 releases in November and the PS4 releases in February then I think Sony would be just fine.  2013 or 2014 is less important than the number of months between.

However, a difference closer to a year would be much harder to deal with.  Not necessarily a disaster, obviously, as the PS3 recovered nicely from that, but it certainly wouldn't be optimal.



This article had nothing to add to next gen discussion... I finished to read and I started to find where the articles continues because there is no information into.

Kotaku pfffff



no takes anything kotaku says seriously



dahuman said:
Trunkin said:
dahuman said:
Trunkin said:
dahuman said:
yeah, that thing is stupid, I don't know what they mean by "second best" but my PC is about 15X more powerful than a 360 in pure FLOPs alone on top of other enhancements and I can safely say that I'm definitely not even close to "second best" since the best I've seen is at least 45X more powerful than a 360 and that'd put second best hell of a lot higher than 8X rofl.


Every time I read those specs in your sig I become sick with envy. 


The video cards are not that good these days unless you crossfire them or I can't even run Guild Wars 2 max with FXAA at constant 60FPS, it was good maybe like a year or 2 ago, not gonna upgrade those until the really good new shit comes in 2014 or 2015, those will be nice new toys for sure! :)


Well that's...disheartening. Guild Wars 2 is one of the first games I want to play once I get my new PC, but my system isn't going to be even half as beefy as yours. What's your monitor's res? With specs like those, I would've hoped that you'd be able to run GW2 in 1080p at max settings without a hitch.


Guild Wars 2 is maxed out on my PC at 1080P, but if I was running single card, it'd dip to like 30-40some FPS, which is not something I enjoy since I can tell the difference right away. It's a game that can be taxing for sure.

Heh, I guess once you go 60fps, you can never go back. Looking at it again, GW2 does look quite nice, especially for an mmo. I guess I'll probably be stuck on medium.

Out of curiosity, is there any reason, besides heat and power consumption, that you'd want to run a game on one card instead on crossfired?



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Trunkin said:
dahuman said:
Trunkin said:
dahuman said:
Trunkin said:
dahuman said:
yeah, that thing is stupid, I don't know what they mean by "second best" but my PC is about 15X more powerful than a 360 in pure FLOPs alone on top of other enhancements and I can safely say that I'm definitely not even close to "second best" since the best I've seen is at least 45X more powerful than a 360 and that'd put second best hell of a lot higher than 8X rofl.


Every time I read those specs in your sig I become sick with envy. 


The video cards are not that good these days unless you crossfire them or I can't even run Guild Wars 2 max with FXAA at constant 60FPS, it was good maybe like a year or 2 ago, not gonna upgrade those until the really good new shit comes in 2014 or 2015, those will be nice new toys for sure! :)


Well that's...disheartening. Guild Wars 2 is one of the first games I want to play once I get my new PC, but my system isn't going to be even half as beefy as yours. What's your monitor's res? With specs like those, I would've hoped that you'd be able to run GW2 in 1080p at max settings without a hitch.


Guild Wars 2 is maxed out on my PC at 1080P, but if I was running single card, it'd dip to like 30-40some FPS, which is not something I enjoy since I can tell the difference right away. It's a game that can be taxing for sure.

Heh, I guess once you go 60fps, you can never go back. Looking at it again, GW2 does look quite nice, especially for an mmo. I guess I'll probably be stuck on medium.

Out of curiosity, is there any reason, besides heat and power consumption, that you'd want to run a game on one card instead on crossfired?


for games that have no crossfire profile(I've seen games that loose FPS because of no profile, and I'm still pissed at TERA to this day for not having one) or easier access to your web browser in windowed mode instead of your entire game minimizing.



are we going to need our own personal fans for these so called powerhouses,lol,sounds liek we'll have to put them in cool boxes or something

can only see nextbox pulling in customers for "teh power" from sony,a real battle of the loyalists next gen as i think the WiiU won't get away liek the Wii did but will still build a good lead,sony have to stay with microsoft as they could lose europe easily which would mean big trouble



                                                                                                                                        Above & Beyond

   

zuvuyeay said:
are we going to need our own personal fans for these so called powerhouses,lol,sounds liek we'll have to put them in cool boxes or something

can only see nextbox pulling in customers for "teh power" from sony,a real battle of the loyalists next gen as i think the WiiU won't get away liek the Wii did but will still build a good lead,sony have to stay with microsoft as they could lose europe easily which would mean big trouble


This guy from Gaf pretty much nailed it and made me lol: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=45402388&postcount=2591



dahuman said:
zuvuyeay said:
are we going to need our own personal fans for these so called powerhouses,lol,sounds liek we'll have to put them in cool boxes or something

can only see nextbox pulling in customers for "teh power" from sony,a real battle of the loyalists next gen as i think the WiiU won't get away liek the Wii did but will still build a good lead,sony have to stay with microsoft as they could lose europe easily which would mean big trouble


This guy from Gaf pretty much nailed it and made me lol: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=45402388&postcount=2591

ha,precognitive online that's how you win nextgen for sure



                                                                                                                                        Above & Beyond

   

pokoko said:
archbrix said:
If people really like what they see with the NeXtBox and it has a strong and impressive launch lineup, I think that Sony will have their work cut out for them if they do indeed launch in 2014. Certainly I'm not saying they'll be destined to do poorly, but it could prove hard for them to find their footing in a market with the affordable Nintendo machine (which could possibly have a 20m install base by then) and the U.S. powerhouse from Microsoft, which can easily afford to take a loss if necessary.

If it's within six months then it won't necessarily be a big deal.  If someone would rather have a Playstation, they'll probably be able to wait a few months.  Christmas isn't usually a big deal for a launch, either, as any console launching at that time will probably be dealing with supply issues.

The key point would be if the two launch dates are close enough that Sony could advertise for the PS4 during the launch of the 720.  Say if the 720 releases in November and the PS4 releases in February then I think Sony would be just fine.  2013 or 2014 is less important than the number of months between.

However, a difference closer to a year would be much harder to deal with.  Not necessarily a disaster, obviously, as the PS3 recovered nicely from that, but it certainly wouldn't be optimal.

Two or three months isn't a big difference in reality and I agree that people who really want a Playstation in February 2014 could easily hold off, but if the NeXtBox were to make the 2013 holiday season - particularly in the US - that could be quite advantageous; especially when the PS4 is almost certain not to be able to trump it tech wise.  I realize uber-powerful tech isn't everything (look at my sig) but it could give the impression that Sony is a day late and a dollar short.  Still, if they're largely on parity they could still be fine.

The thing is, it's been a while since a home console didn't launch in the fall in the US.  If Sony do what they did with the PS2 (spring in Japan, fall in the US/Europe), it doesn't look good for them.  WiiU is going to be an incredibly powerful competitor in Japan since Sony will be at least a full year later no matter what, and to go against Microsoft with a year's lead again in the west... they'd likely need to come up with something amazing that takes the market by storm (ala Wii) to be able to have a strong presence in that scenario.